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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2016, 01:24:59 PM »
So how can you ever believe what Cameron says.

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2016, 01:37:02 PM »
I think the second one was an impostor. No senior politician would allow himself to be filmed giving two directly opposite speeches.   :008:
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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2016, 01:43:17 PM »
I would'nt trust ANY politician as far as I could throw them. And look at who is leading the OUT campaign, Boris the buffoon, this is the man who is playing us all for fools. To think that man could be our next prime minister should be enough to convince everybody to stay in. At least in Europe we could have 500 million voters. You would'nt want to upset that amount of people too much if you were a politician.
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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2016, 01:48:18 PM »
*Originally Posted by BlahBlah [+]
. At least in Europe we could have 500 million voters. You would'nt want to upset that amount of people too much if you were a politician.

But the Eurocrats who really run the EU don't give two hoots about 500 million voters or even if there were 5 billion. THEY are not elected and are totally outside any voting effect. They will continue marching on creating their own empires whatever 'voters' say.

If Boris ever did become Prime Minister at least YOU could vote him out of office, try that with the Eurocrats. 
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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2016, 01:52:51 PM »
E.U law is signed off by all member states! Anyway, what are all these dreadfull laws that I keep reading about that are having such a negative impact on your day to day life.
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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2016, 02:02:43 PM »
*Originally Posted by BlahBlah [+]
E.U law is signed off by all member states! Anyway, what are all these dreadfull laws that I keep reading about that are having such a negative impact on your day to day life.

Telling us that prisoners should be allowed to vote. Purely a UK issue

Telling us that we can't deport convicted dangerous criminals

Telling us how many migrants we have to take.

Red tape all over the place if you are in business.

Telling us what our VAT rates should be

Telling us what decisions we have to make re monopolies and mergers

Telling us where our own fishermen cannot trawl where other countries can.

...and the list goes on

The EU is big, bloated, expensive, unaccountable and way beyond anything we ever voted for as the Common Market.

 
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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2016, 02:28:30 PM »
Why should'nt prisoners be allowed to vote?

We can deport convicted criminals

We told them how many migrants we would take.

I own a business and I am not swamped with red tape

The tories (in coalition with lib dems) put VAT up to 20%

Thankfully somebody stops massive mergers (limits competition)

The lack of fish  dictates fishing grounds.
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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2016, 02:43:34 PM »
*Originally Posted by BlahBlah [+]
Why should'nt prisoners be allowed to vote?

We can deport convicted criminals

We told them how many migrants we would take.

I own a business and I am not swamped with red tape

The tories (in coalition with lib dems) put VAT up to 20%

Thankfully somebody stops massive mergers (limits competition)

The lack of fish  dictates fishing grounds.

Because in committing crime they relinquish certain rights reserved for the social majority like their freedom to roam, social contact

Not if they have a pregnant cat (human rights), have relationships here 'claim' they are likely to be victimised if sent home. (Answer - don't commit nasty crimes, if you do we don't want you here.) I concede that the HR Act was a European thing we signed up for - not EU stuff, but the European Courts overrule UK courts

Not if we stay in - they'll tell us when Turkey and others join. Just wait for the flood and our borders won't be worth a light.

Europe dictates a whole raft of business matters - standards, compliances, minimum wages, workers 'right's etc etc. It may have come from a UK law but I bet it was driven by European pressure to 'comply' with the Euro norms. Unfair competition etc

Europe dictates the levels of VAT on goods if thought to be unfair to other countries

Lack of fish due to overfishing when massive foreign ships raid our waters - eg Spanish

We are never going to agree but there must be something seriously wrong when opinion is so deeply divided. Basically I would like a situation whereby we trade together peacefully but stop sticking your noses through my front door and telling me what I can and can't do in my own home.
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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2016, 03:00:05 PM »
I just want an adult conversation about facts on the ground, not hearsay and tabloid soundbites which seems to be the main points being banded about. Are our daily lives so limited/blighted by being part of Europe?
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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2016, 03:05:46 PM »
*Originally Posted by Ogri (Trainee) [+]
..................Me I am putting my faith in unity not isolation.

And there you go  :086: ....those aren't the choices. What on earth makes you think that the result of leaving the EU is "isolation" ? Were we "isolated" before joining the Common market? ....No, so why would we be "isolated" if we now left the EU ? We are still one of the world's greatest trading nations and the 5th largest economy  :027:
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