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Offline AndrewNZ

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #90 on: May 31, 2016, 11:50:21 PM »
I think to break it down to simplistic terms, if that's possible!
If you join a club and pay a fee you look to find the benefits to being in that club and that you are getting value for money, £350 million per week is a big membership fee for the UK to pay and what are the benefits that outweigh that fee?

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2016, 08:29:09 AM »
*Originally Posted by Travelman [+]
.................... but I'm confident that there's a genuine desire to address these issues.

You see, that's where we differ completely. I don't for one minute believe there's any desire whatsoever on the part of the EU to address the list of issues that are at the nub of the UK public's serious concerns and consequent disenchantment with the EU.
However, if it's a Brexit win, you can be damned sure they'll then express a desire to address just about anything that will keep the UK in the EU.  Delivery of any change, on the other hand, is another issue.

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #92 on: June 01, 2016, 10:31:47 AM »
Perhaps Biscuit, when you folks do jump ship You might become patriotic and ditch that Panzer tank that you are riding and get yourself an Explorer.......... :164:

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #93 on: June 01, 2016, 10:55:19 AM »
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Don't worry about things you can't change.

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #94 on: June 01, 2016, 01:18:49 PM »
*Originally Posted by Griff [+]
Perhaps Biscuit, when you folks do jump ship You might become patriotic and ditch that Panzer tank that you are riding and get yourself an Explorer.......... :164:

Ho ho ho  :006:  Well that has to be a record. You resisted the urge until Page 10. Well done.
It's obviously passed right over you that I'm for a return to sovereignty, NOT isolationism. 

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #95 on: June 01, 2016, 01:21:02 PM »
*Originally Posted by Rooster [+]
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You clearly have very low standards

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #96 on: June 01, 2016, 04:51:37 PM »
*Originally Posted by Jonnybiscuit [+]
Ho ho ho  :006:  Well that has to be a record. You resisted the urge until Page 10. Well done.
It's obviously passed right over you that I'm for a return to sovereignty, NOT isolationism.

Hmmmm    a GS owner on a Triumph forum. Methinks I am smelling some isolationism there  :002:

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #97 on: June 01, 2016, 05:56:47 PM »
*Originally Posted by AndrewNZ [+]
I think to break it down to simplistic terms, if that's possible!
If you join a club and pay a fee you look to find the benefits to being in that club and that you are getting value for money, £350 million per week is a big membership fee for the UK to pay and what are the benefits that outweigh that fee?

£350m figure is very wrong. Last year we were due to pay £18bn in fees, but receive an upfront rebate of £4.5bn, so that's £260m per week (a lot, no doubt, but already we see the devious nature of the brexit campaign). On top that £4bn was sent back to the UK in the form of subsidies, especially to farmers. Now we're down to £180m per week.

Then it gets harder, because it's not so easy to assess the value of the benefits from membership. The thing is that they exist, they may even be greater than the fees we pay, but none of this is made clear by the brexiteers.
I know we have no free will, but I enjoy the delusion

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #98 on: June 01, 2016, 06:24:14 PM »
I could get by on £180m per week.
Don't worry about things you can't change.

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Re: Are you In or Out
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2016, 04:52:48 AM »
*Originally Posted by Travelman [+]
£350m figure is very wrong. Last year we were due to pay £18bn in fees, but receive an upfront rebate of £4.5bn, so that's £260m per week (a lot, no doubt, but already we see the devious nature of the brexit campaign). On top that £4bn was sent back to the UK in the form of subsidies, especially to farmers. Now we're down to £180m per week.

Then it gets harder, because it's not so easy to assess the value of the benefits from membership. The thing is that they exist, they may even be greater than the fees we pay, but none of this is made clear by the brexiteers.

None of it is made clear by either side a complete campaign of misinformation.

 


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