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Hoisted by own petard
« on: January 12, 2018, 09:03:51 PM »
A classic example of the Shakespearean idiom
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-devon-42661283/speeding-motorcyclist-caught-by-own-helmet-camera

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Re: Hoisted by own petard
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2018, 08:37:24 AM »
I have a gopro permanently on (I commute all year), and am conscious that it records my driving as well as others, especially when I have spirited moments as we all do from time to time. I think the police have a right to examine any footage as evidence, perhaps the boys in blue could confirm that😉?

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Re: Hoisted by own petard
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2018, 09:41:47 AM »
Yes, I believe they have the right to examine any evidence of a crime, including mobile phones.

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Re: Hoisted by own petard
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2018, 03:30:55 PM »
*Originally Posted by grumps [+]
Yes, I believe they have the right to examine any evidence of a crime, including mobile phones.

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Re: Hoisted by own petard
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2018, 08:22:17 PM »
There was an article in Ride magazine recently by their tame legal eagle.
Think he said if the camera is affixed to the vehicle or safety equipment (helmet) the Police have a right to view any footage.
If it is part of your personal apparel (Jacket strap etc) then they need to obtain a warrant to seize.
Best thing is don't be a nobber in the first place.
The conundrum is that a biker mate of mine videoed from her car a driver using a mobile in a supermarket car park. She followed him for some considerable distance all showing continuity of footage which was date stamped and he continuously used his mobile crossing a white line on a number of occasions. The police response?
It has to be them that witness the offence to successfully prosecute.

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Re: Hoisted by own petard
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 09:56:37 AM »
*Originally Posted by Prodded Dog [+]
The police response?
It has to be them that witness the offence to successfully prosecute.
I think things are about to change (slowly, as they ever do).
This denial of justice (automatic fining has been a reality here for years now) was the norm yesterday.
Today, I think that if there is a crash implying injuries (or worse), the police won't hesitate to use any found footage. In the absence of injuries, the police has better things to do than chasing actual bad behaviors (for instance, concealing speed cameras to accumulate the biggest possible amount of cash while claiming they're enforcing road safety (rant over;-)).
That said, here (don't know the UK justice) a footage can only be taken as a partial evidence, not a direct proof. It is really hard (if possible at all) to prove that a recording wasn't altered.

Tomorrow, it's probable that any spying device will get used everytime against everybody (but the wealthies of course; this will never change).
Is it good or bad? I don't know. Probably both...

 


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