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Offline CanadianTEX416

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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #50 on: March 13, 2018, 07:16:10 PM »
ima just go ahead and leave this here

should help with some decision makin

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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #51 on: March 13, 2018, 07:34:35 PM »
*Originally Posted by CanadianTEX416 [+]
ima just go ahead and leave this here

should help with some decision makin

http://bmwfatalflaw.com/
Saw that, not exactly confidence inspiring.  Part of my reason for going with the T12. 

Two years ago, my gf had a problem with her BMW F800ST, the rear bearings was failing on the left half of the swing arm hub, so BMW reluctantly agreed to replace it, but would not replace the bearing on the right side of the hub, since "it was not covered in the recall".  Apparently their wisdom was that the failure on the left side bearing had nothing to do the bearing on the right side failing.  Had to pay for it ourselves. Left a very bad taste in our mouths.  She sold the bike and now has a Tiger 1050SE that she absolutely loves.

While I understand every manufacturer can screw up, but BMW seems very good at burying their head in the sand and making their customers jump thru hoops.  I know Triumph has had their fair share, witness the cylinder head issue with the '12 and '13, but from all that I have read on this, they made good on fixing them.  Not wishing to turn this thread into a BM bashing, still bugs me how they handled the 800 problem
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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #52 on: March 13, 2018, 08:28:19 PM »
*Originally Posted by pcarnut [+]
While I understand every manufacturer can screw up, but BMW seems very good at burying their head in the sand and making their customers jump thru hoops.  I know Triumph has had their fair share, witness the cylinder head issue with the '12 and '13, but from all that I have read on this, they made good on fixing them. 
Historically, BMW has always taken the position that they do not make engineering mistakes. Having said, if I recall correctly, the stanchion issue was a do-not-ride recall a couple of years ago.

The bearing issues on the F800's are pretty well known. I know of two owners who had to pay for the new bearings. One had to buy a huge crescent wrench on the road to get the wheel off.

Triumph has sort-of made good on fixing the cylinder head issue. They never did a recall and instructed dealerships to only replace the head if there was excessive valve noise. Many dealerships have no knowledge about the technical bulletin and some outright refuse to deal with the issue. There have been a few unfortunates posting here who have had their new-to-them '12 and '13 Explorers detonate because the bikes were traded off when they started to get noisy. Some second owners have been successful and getting Triumph to make good on the repair, but it usually takes a lot lobbying and time.

And then there is the ongoing gear selector issue...
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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2018, 07:52:37 AM »
*Originally Posted by CanadianTEX416 [+]
ima just go ahead and leave this here

should help with some decision makin

http://bmwfatalflaw.com/

Makes me wonder about Kevin Ash's accident.

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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2018, 01:16:06 PM »
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
And then there is the ongoing gear selector issue...
Which is treated much like all the others Triumph's faults: you ask, you get nothing, you shout, you get a little (in my case, I had to pay for labor, not for the numerous parts that have been replaced).
Not exactly the kind of treatment I would expect as a distinguished 20k+ bike owner.

That said, I have friends who drive Audis and there treated exactly the same way.

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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2018, 02:29:27 PM »
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
Which is treated much like all the others Triumph's faults: you ask, you get nothing, you shout, you get a little (in my case, I had to pay for labor, not for the numerous parts that have been replaced).
Not exactly the kind of treatment I would expect as a distinguished 20k+ bike owner.

That said, I have friends who drive Audis and there treated exactly the same way.

Don't get me started on Audi, please...
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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2018, 11:53:45 PM »
Just Adding My 2 Cents worth
I currently own a 2015 Tex and a KLR650 My good friend owns a 2014 gs1200 BMW (Bavarian Money Waster)
I also owned a 800 Tiger
The issue i have with the Tiger is the Weight its all up top regardless of what you do to the bike, if weight is an issue for you then the BMW is a better option as the design of the boxer engine places that weight down low, when i hop off my Tiger and ride the BMW i think im on My KLR
it literally takes 2 of us to pick up the Tiger if it goes over the BMW is a Doddle to pick up
So for me The main issue with the bikes is the weight. I love my tiger but i may go back to the 800 purely because of the weight
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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2018, 01:13:16 AM »
*Originally Posted by AusTex59 [+]
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it literally takes 2 of us to pick up the Tiger if it goes over the BMW is a Doddle to pick up
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This is how you pick it up by yourself. Yes, it works on the trails, on snow, on rainy, on gasoline spilled slippery asphalt too.  :164:
t=37s

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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2018, 01:59:55 AM »
*Originally Posted by Icy [+]
This is how you pick it up by yourself. Yes, it works on the trails, on snow, on rainy, on gasoline spilled slippery asphalt too.  :164:
t=37s

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  That is fine for most of us but as you know the Aussies are a rather delicate bunch. :001:

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Re: 2018 Tiger 1200 vs 2018 BMW GS 1200
« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2018, 02:17:44 AM »
*Originally Posted by jaiyenyen [+]
  That is fine for most of us but as you know the Aussies are a rather delicate bunch. :001:


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