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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2019, 03:16:56 PM »
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I'll get in touch with design HQ, just down the road from me  :028:
Really?
I thought it was in Clermont-Ferrand?!

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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2019, 03:42:31 PM »
The Bike Tech Centre for the UK and Ireland (and the Nordics, for some odd reason) is in sunny Stoke-on-Trent UK, they only make car tyres there though  :008:

Anyhoo, here's what they had to say :

Hello Steve,

Thanks for considering Michelin tyres for your bike.

There are no differences between the tyres we make for the European market and the American market. 

We recommend Road 5 Trail tyres for the Triumph Explorer/Tigers. 

The trail versions of the Pilot Road 4 and Road 5 have been specifically designed for large Trail/Adventure bikes that are going to be used purely as a road bike, and the compounds and construction of the tyres have been optimised to suit the bikes and the riding demands put on them.  The Trail version features an alternative radial construction giving a stiffer bead area for better stability, and the compounds needed to be adapted to work with this different construction and provide the same class leading wet weather performance as the standard Pilot Road 4 and Road 5 does on other bikes.

These different constructions mean that we do not recommend mixing the two tyres, this could lead to unwanted handling anomalies.

The Pilot Road 4 GT has been adapted to give better stability and support for specific larger GT style sports tourers such as the BMW K 1200 GT and R 1200 RT, the Honda 1300 Pan European, the Kawasaki 1400 GTR, the Yamaha FJR 1300 and a few other bikes that when pushed hard on standard tyres may not return the handling expected for sporty use.

I hope that this clarifies the situation.

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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2019, 04:13:29 PM »
Pretty sure this is the place Triumph will be dealing with  :001:

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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2019, 05:49:14 PM »
*Originally Posted by Dilbert [+]
The Bike Tech Centre for the UK and Ireland (and the Nordics, for some odd reason) is in sunny Stoke-on-Trent UK, they only make car tyres there though  :008:

Anyhoo, here's what they had to say :

Hello Steve,

Thanks for considering Michelin tyres for your bike.

There are no differences between the tyres we make for the European market and the American market. 

We recommend Road 5 Trail tyres for the Triumph Explorer/Tigers. 

The trail versions of the Pilot Road 4 and Road 5 have been specifically designed for large Trail/Adventure bikes that are going to be used purely as a road bike, and the compounds and construction of the tyres have been optimised to suit the bikes and the riding demands put on them.  The Trail version features an alternative radial construction giving a stiffer bead area for better stability, and the compounds needed to be adapted to work with this different construction and provide the same class leading wet weather performance as the standard Pilot Road 4 and Road 5 does on other bikes.

These different constructions mean that we do not recommend mixing the two tyres, this could lead to unwanted handling anomalies.

The Pilot Road 4 GT has been adapted to give better stability and support for specific larger GT style sports tourers such as the BMW K 1200 GT and R 1200 RT, the Honda 1300 Pan European, the Kawasaki 1400 GTR, the Yamaha FJR 1300 and a few other bikes that when pushed hard on standard tyres may not return the handling expected for sporty use.

I hope that this clarifies the situation.

Best regards,

Tony Charlton

Technical Manager Michelin 2W
UK, ROI, Nordics
Very, very interesting. Despite the fact that there are "no differences" between the product made for the European and North American markets, the N. American Michelin operation has continued to state to me that the current Road 5 offerings are not suitable for my TEX. They also insist that they have no fore-knowledge of any GT version of the Road 5.

Interestingly, the old link that I posted last May to their website where they had a disclaimer about the new Road 5 as being suitable only for mid-weight bikes is now gone. Also interestingly, the "Trail" versions of the Road 5 do not seem to be differentiated by marketing from the other road 5 offerings. They only exist as specific sizes. For example, the two 19" versions of the Road 5 front tire are shown as Trail versions. Also, the 150/70 R17 version of the rear tire is shown as a Trail version.

Also puzzling, is that online vendor that I use here in Canada does not list 110/80 R19 version of the Road 5 tire at all, and the 150/70 R17 version has been out of stock for months. Very frustrating. I think that N. American Michelin is as confused as I am.

In PR4 world, I was advised by my local dealer to run the GT version on the back of my TEX with the Trail front because the Trail rear did not wear evenly on heavier bikes. I certainly had no handling problems with the combination, which is still on my gen1 TEX.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2019, 05:54:16 PM by CaptainTrips »
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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2019, 01:00:56 PM »
I specifically asked about any differences across the pond as back in the day some manufacturers did use different compounds, I think that for sports bikes, only run in the dry this may still be the case.

I also asked about why there were three different versions and the pros and cons of each.

I emailed from work, I always get more comprehensive replies when they see what I do for a living  :008:
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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2019, 05:14:03 PM »
*Originally Posted by Dilbert [+]
I specifically asked about any differences across the pond as back in the day some manufacturers did use different compounds, I think that for sports bikes, only run in the dry this may still be the case.
Hillariously, my saga continues. Earlier this week I spent almost half an hour chatting online with a Michelin specialist rep who confirmed that Road 5 Trail tires are (now) rated for use on my TEX. She then confirmed that Road 5 Trail tires are now available to my regional suppliers. Yet, after two days of asking, my regional e-tailer maintains that the Trail versions of the Road 5 are not available from their supplier and that there is no estimate of when they might be available.

So I give up. I started out last fall wanting a replacement for my PR4s and am now resigned to trying something different. I will probably buy some Anakee III's and save $150 in the process and be done with it.
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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2019, 08:56:51 AM »
And you'll end up with a lot of rolling noise!
Why not get an old pair of (now) cheap PR4s?

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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2019, 05:13:32 PM »
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
Why not get an old pair of (now) cheap PR4s?
That was plan A. Can't find them anywhere. Michelin stopped supplying them last year. No stock left anywhere.

Maybe Pirelli Scorpion 2's are the way forward for me.
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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2019, 09:34:29 PM »
After looking around, I've found a good deal on Avon Trails so will probably go that route.
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Re: Difference between ADV style tire & 100% road tire?
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2019, 12:51:31 AM »
I have just put these MITAS 09's on the 2012 Gen 1 Big Cat... I have had many Types of Tyres on... From 20/80, 30/70 50/50. These are 80/20 off road / road. I can say, that having these on, I can improve my Off Road Pace by 30kph on really, really snotty forest tracks. These are far faster in the rough, than the MITAS 07 on a Competing BMW GSA with a FINKE desert race rider.

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