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Offline flaldrider

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Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« on: January 09, 2019, 01:02:18 AM »
I now have a failure of my '12 Explore that I have not seen on this forum. My bike has 126,000 miles(202,777 km) and has a leaking head gasket.

I came back from a New Year's Day ride and when I stopped at my shop, the exhaust was puffing white-blue smoke and leaking a bit of fluid from the top left front of the engine.

I stripped off the plastic off the bike and took it to the bike to my dealer for an estimate of the repair.

When I checked in with the dealer today, I found that not only was the head gasket leaking but the frame was broken near the left front engine mount.

I checked with some local expert welders and found that the frame can be fixed for about $125.00. Not a bad deal.

However the head gasket fix was quoted at $2500.00!! I was a bit shocked to say the least. Since the bike is 6 years old and has very high mileage, I may try to find someone to fix it if I can get a reasonable price fix it but if not, strip it and part it out.

Attached are a couple of pictures of the frame break.




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Re: Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2019, 06:04:02 AM »
First, congrats on the high mileage. You may have the record!

Has the bike been dropped on the left engine guard? Which engine guard did you use?

I suspect that the engine will have to come out of the frame to do the head gasket. Lots of labor involved. The gasket set for the head is $360 so about 20 hours labor?
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Re: Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2019, 09:02:10 AM »
My thoughts exactly.
I wouldn't expect such a frame crack without a proper fall of the bike.
By the way, this raises a question about crashbars: getting a case broken is expensive, but a broken frame? Is it really that better?

The head gasket involves a lot of labour, but I don't think it requires the engine to be taken out (I had it done under warranty on my first Tex). I'm not so sure when it comes to welding the frame...
« Last Edit: January 09, 2019, 09:04:55 AM by NiK »

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Re: Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2019, 10:21:45 AM »
You have been here a long time - great to see such mileage - thats like a test failure - half a million cycles at trying to break it - head gazzie always going to be expensive - that 21 k service is $1000 at retail for us  :047:
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Re: Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2019, 10:25:33 AM »
Flatrider,

I wish I could ride my bikes that much, however, the weather in the Chicago area is not so nice as Tennessee.

That said, are you really sure you want to put that much money into a bike where all of the other parts have 120K+ miles on them?  Given the cost of a low mileage used one, especially in the winter in the north, you might find your long term best interest is in a newer, lower mileage bike.

Just a thought from a senior citizen who has been riding singe 15.

Ride safe.
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Re: Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2019, 12:36:04 PM »
 :0461: congrats on the mileage and I believe that's a record :-) and I agree. maybe it's time to get a new bike instead of spending a good few grands on this one?

In either case, respect and I hope you get it sorted out sooner than later.  :037:

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Re: Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2019, 02:30:36 PM »
You Mercuns are so prone to throwing away still perfectly useable items!
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Re: Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2019, 02:49:29 PM »
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
You Mercuns are so prone to throwing away still perfectly useable items!
(c;

Consumerism baby. Buy buy buy buy. We want Triumph to strive and survive. If everything they made lasts this long, how can they sell new stuff and feed all those people who produce them?

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Re: Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2019, 06:00:44 PM »
Nik,

Not really, as I said I am a medicare card carrying senior who has ridden since 15.  My first motorcycle was abandoned in a garage as junk and I bought it off the owner (to get the title) for $50.  I spent a month fixing it before the first ride.  I generally drive my vehicles until the wheels fall off, however, there comes a point where you stop throwing money into an ever deepening pit.  I suggest that Flatrider is at that point.

The headgasket fix will not renew the life of the rest of the engine, transmission, drive, or other components.  A 2014-15 bike with 10-15K miles on it can probably be had for less than $7,500, in fact there is one on ebay in Maryland, a 2015 with 8K miles for $7,875.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-Triumph-Tiger/264120058232?hash=item3d7ec84178:g:DpIAAOSwVXRb6HRw:rk:3:pf:1&vxp=mtr&frcectupt=true 

Flatrider could canabalize any accessories he has, and part out the rest.  The result would be a three year newer frame with 112,000 less miles.

Ride safe,

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Re: Broken Front Left Frame By The Engine Mount
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2019, 06:01:01 PM »
I have never dropped the bike as yet so why the frame tube broke is a mystery. I had not thought about the mounting of the for the tip over bars potentially causing a frame damage issue so this may be something to consider in the future on the replacement bike.

Thanks to all of you for your varied replies and suggestions.

At this point I do not believe that spending $2500.00 dollars is a worthwhile investment. I think that buying another Explorer is a better investment. There are many items that will be moved to a newer bike such as panniers, seat and so on. Time to start checking out the Internet for a cost effective replacement and then start the parting out process on my present Explorer.

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