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What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« on: January 09, 2019, 02:33:53 PM »
Ok this may be old news, but it's not something I have seen discussed in any detail elsewhere.

I bought a Gen 1 with no heated seat. I was comfy and did lots of miles. I snagged a heated seat at one point and did the usual plug and play routine. I was delighted with it. It was comfy and heated my backside to the point that having it on full was getting frankly a little kinky.

I sold the Gen 1 and put the original seat back on eventually selling the heated seat separately to a form member who expressed their equal delight.

Roll forward and I bought a Gen 2. Right from the ride home I was distinctly unimpressed with the seat. Both in comfort and in heat to the point that it's hardly worth switching on. In terms of comfort, I can manage an hour - then a break, then 30 mins then a break, then 15 mins and I have to stand on the pegs the rest of the way. It's crippling me.

I decided, because I am like that, to pull the seat apart. Nothing ventured and all that. What did I find inside? I'll tell you. B*****r all. There's a moulded plastic base, 4 strips of that material that you put under beds in boats to prevent condensation and the injection moulded cushion which would compress if an Autumn leaf landed on it.

At this point, I cut up some camping mats and added pieces to the seat, in layers and replaced the cover as best as I could. So is it better? It is without a doubt. But is it cured, no. It does clearly lead to the inescapable fact that some more padding makes a difference. But wait - there's more. I promised you detail on heated seating not just comfort.

Today I spoke to a seating specialist about getting a gel pad upgrade. It turns out that Gen 1 heated seats uses a heating mesh laid on top of the foam under the cover. Gen 2 seats, as I discovered, have the heating lattice embedded within the injection moulded foam topper. Firstly this makes inserting a gel section very difficult but secondly it might explain why the heating effect on Gen 2s is so poor compared to Gen 1s.


So there you have it. That's all I know.

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Re: What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2019, 02:51:53 PM »
Well I can tell you the heated seat on my Gen 3 is very gently pleasant and takes about 20-30 minutes to build up to full effect which is still quite mild. If I use it it is only on setting 2, setting 1 is barely noticeable.

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Re: What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2019, 02:54:26 PM »
Interesting... So they tried to do something better and ended up doing something worse. Probably the heating element right under the seat cover was prone to damage from wear & tear (definitely tear) and embedding it inside the foam made it more safe & secure and durable. But diminished the heating performance drastically. I'm lucky I don't care about heated seats, if I did, this would've driven me mad for sure.

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Re: What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2019, 03:06:45 PM »
Heating on my Gen 1 took only minutes and was either lovely and warm or very hot. it certainly didn't take 20 - 30 mins. My Gen 2 takes all day to reach - errm well not much. I have tested the loom etc and all seems fine but it's just not very good. I read that other people were having the same experience which is why I posted this. I can't speak of the Gen 3. Test rode one, didn't like it, bought a Gen 2.

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Re: What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2019, 05:34:26 PM »
My Gen1 never had heated seats never had heated seats and neither did mt Gen2 XRX. My first experience of heated seats was my current Gen2 XRT. I did my running in mileage in December 2017 and I was very grateful for the heat produced so they get a 'thumbs up' from me.

Having said all that the Triumph seats are not comfortable for me so I now have an electrically heated Corbin seat - luxury!

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Re: What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2019, 05:36:41 PM »
My Gen 1 heated seats heat up in a minute or two. I can't use the high setting unless I've got my insulated riding pants on and the temp is below 20F. It just gets too hot. I pretty much use the low setting when I want heat and only when it's below 45 degrees.
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Re: What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2019, 08:27:47 PM »
*Originally Posted by Jon [+]
My Gen 1 heated seats heat up in a minute or two. I can't use the high setting unless I've got my insulated riding pants on and the temp is below 20F. It just gets too hot. I pretty much use the low setting when I want heat and only when it's below 45 degrees.
When you read the Gen 3 manual it states to switch on the heated seats on level 2, when up to temperature switch to level 1 for normal use. This would fit with your experience of 2 being too hot as it is only to give it an initial boost. I reckon they just haven't updated the text in the manual for Gen 3 from Gen 1 cos that definately doesn't work.

The manual has other mistakes, as previously mentioned by another poster somewhere, the manual headlight dip lever (for dipping the headlights 2 Degrees when loaded) is written up the wrong way round, see pic.



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Re: What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2019, 09:13:44 AM »
*Originally Posted by XCaTel [+]
that definately doesn't work.
Yup!
That's how mine performs.
A greyed out icon on the dash and no heat at all.
I lived without heated seat for 20 years so I'm fine with that (even in the current near zero temps). But honestly the whole thing doesn't look that robust to me...

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Re: What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2019, 09:26:51 AM »
*Originally Posted by XCaTel [+]
The manual has other mistakes, as previously mentioned by another poster somewhere, the manual headlight dip lever (for dipping the headlights 2 Degrees when loaded) is written up the wrong way round, see pic.

That mistake is a really gigantic cock up by Triumph - the same basic error in all the manuals since the Gen 1 & still not corrected!

As for heated seats.......I can't comment on Gen 3, but the ones on my Gen 2 work brilliantly well, as good as Gen 1 & maybe even better.

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Re: What I have learned about heated seats (Gen 1 v Gen 2)
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2019, 09:55:28 AM »
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
Yup!
That's how mine performs.
A greyed out icon on the dash and no heat at all.
I lived without heated seat for 20 years so I'm fine with that (even in the current near zero temps). But honestly the whole thing doesn't look that robust to me...
Oh Nik, you must have a bigger problem, mine does light up te indicator on the dash on setting 1 and 2, it's just not super effective. If yours is greyed out I don't think it is switching on at all is it? Fuse 4 - 25A controls the heated seats, heated grips, rear socket and top box socket and/or check the dealer actually plugged it in (although I'm sure you probably already did).

 


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