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[Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« on: August 22, 2019, 09:01:52 AM »
Dear Triumph,

I thereby apologize for having said that your keyless system was faulty on my bike.
After extensive testing, it appeared that the culprit was my pair of cheapo Chinese LED projectors.

Since I disconnected them, I have no more "keyfob out of range" message whatsoever.

PS: can you please think about implementing a stronger keyless system on the next iteration? Radio interferences are a problem, but honestly your current design looks fragile to me ;-)

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Re: [Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2019, 09:46:04 AM »
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
Dear Triumph,

I thereby apologize for having said that your keyless system was faulty on my bike.
After extensive testing, it appeared that the culprit was my pair of cheapo Chinese LED projectors.

Since I disconnected them, I have no more "keyfob out of range" message whatsoever.

PS: can you please think about implementing a stronger keyless system on the next iteration? Radio interferences are a problem, but honestly your current design looks fragile to me ;-)

The Triumph might be more susceptible to RFI interference than it should, but having worked in the Radio Communications Industry no doubt the cheap lamps are producing more RFI Interference than they should.

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Re: [Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2019, 11:55:45 AM »
dump the keyless for me Nik - too many security , electronic and purely practical ( fuel tank) issues - should be option like all the other "good things " now eg cruise that the early adopters paid full whack for !!!! i m not bitter  :008: 
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Re: [Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2019, 12:11:15 PM »
 :082: :047: :821: my my, what an interesting turn of events  :821:
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Re: [Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2019, 12:37:49 PM »
So, I wonder if my monotonous "key fob out of range" messages are due to my SW-Motech powered tank bag ring? It will always be live but only sometimes connected to something and drawing current. I would usually stick my keys in the tank bag if I use it. I’ve never really associated the two things before, I’ll have to take note. Nice one NiK.

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Re: [Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2019, 01:31:13 PM »
I'll have to pay attention to what is active next time I get a keyfob out of range message.
It can only be: Sena 20S headset, or SR10 BT interface, or CB radio (in receive mode), or Samsung mobile phone, or voltmeter/USB socket, or Garmin 590LM GPS.
I don't find a need for after-market extra lights.

Must admit, I haven't seen that keyfob message for a while.

Did a 430km ride today in cold but dry conditions.  The bike behaved impeccably.
-Except that I had trouble turning the petrol cap lock.  Solved with a spray of RP7.

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Re: [Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2019, 01:39:34 PM »
I have Sena20S on all the time on the bike. Sometimes even two up on the bike with two Sena20s. Garage door opener right by. Car right by the bike... no interference... FYI
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Re: [Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2019, 01:43:44 PM »
Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto, Icy.  But I've had the message when away from my garage too.

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Re: [Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2019, 02:18:02 PM »
I wish there were a sniffer like the wireless sniffers that can simply show the current broadcast of RF and other electromagnetic signals around you... that'd be so cool. back in the day, there was a "developer access" on a Nokia model (I cannot remember for the life of me which model it was, one of the earlier ones - I think it was 6110... I think...) that showed all the devices around you that broadcast. we used to have a ton of fun with it...
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Re: [Keyless] NiK's act of contrition
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2019, 04:59:22 PM »
Well, problem with radio noise is that it can have two different (and not mutually exclusive) vectors:
- Over the air (akin to what radio sensitive people claim is hurting them (how badly I love polemics ;-)). I can imagine some sort of shielding (provided I find the actual source: the LED itself or the cheapo circuit just before).
- Conveyed by wires. The stoopid keyless receiver being right next to my fuseblock, this could prove challenging to solve...

Okay, now I have to become an electronic specialist (incidentally, this discovery on the bike shed some new light onto in house glitches I experienced lately). How long would it take? One, two years?
(c;

PS: Icy, I have a handy (though narrow) band detector. It is called a FM radio. You just put the music on and get closer to the LED and your music suddenly turns into static. Cheap but efficient (as long as your interferences do impact the FM band). My PT Cruiser radio worked very well in identifying interferences from my new position lights (if only I could stop buying from AliBaba).

 


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