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Offline FredJ9

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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2020, 02:50:41 AM »
So Icy...Is there a Zero AVD in your future?

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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2020, 03:21:56 AM »
I test rode the Harley's Live Wire when they brought it to NY and I can say that I am a fan of electric motorcycles. That torque is simply incredible. I was very surprised when I realized how heavy it is - and I thought the kitty was heavy. I would be very interested in an electric motorcycle if:
- They figure out the torque delivery adjustments for various modes for the ADV segment
- They figure out the weight distribution
I think everything else can be adjusted as time passes. Of course, I wouldn't be taking that bike to the Trans Labrador trip. Forget about charging station, you don't have gas for a stretch of ~250 miles...

Until the charging situation is resolved on great adventures, for the casual ADV fun - yeah, sign me up, for sure. And I am ashamed to say that I have zero "Zero ADV" experience under mi belt...

I wonder how are they doing?

Harley LiveWire Test Ride by I.C., on Flickr

https://www.quora.com/Will-the-Harley-Davidson-LiveWire-make-riding-motorcycles-more-dangerous-due-to-the-relatively-quiet-electric-motor



I mean, ~160 miles is not bad for touring. That's around what I'd do in a single day's ride btw. So it's a bit of a limiting for my type of riding at this point...

https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-dsrbf

I should test-ride that thing though...
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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2020, 10:03:07 AM »
*Originally Posted by Icy [+]
I mean, ~160 miles is not bad for touring. 

From road tests I've seen of real riding in the real world that figure is optimistic = just like manufacturers mpg figures impossible to replicate.
In stop start town use electric bikes can have more regenerative braking than anywhere else. Maybe it would be OK if an off road or touring route had more downhill than uphill  :164:
But with the battery tech advancing so fast a more useful range might be available in a couple of years.

PS: I don't know of any UK Harley dealer who has Live Wires to test ride (maybe someone in London or other big city knows different?). Dealers have to heavily invest in training & workshop facilities for new models and are reluctant to do so for limited sales. My local HD place invested for the Trikes when launched and is nowhere near recouping that money so won't be in a hurry to repeat that mistake for Live Wires.

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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2020, 12:08:44 AM »
If it is anything like the Zero, the range is hugely dependent on speed.  If you are rolling around at 30mph they can go really far, if you are doing 65, cut that down by a third or more.  Don't even ask about the range if your doing 80.

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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2020, 08:07:41 AM »
Indeed the range for electric vehicles remains the main problem to end users.
We all are used to go anywhere with gas stations along the way (except maybe some back country Aussies ;-).
Having to plan any trip beyond 150 km according to the availability of power chargers and the time required to charge the batteries is a new constraint that only the most addicted to zero emission (this gimmick being a marketing lie BTW) vehicles will accept.

I'm interested in electric bikes (I'm a huge torque worshipper) and I've read many reports on the Web. One of the most alarming was a real life Tesla journey where the journos were stating that charging the batteries to the max is not a good idea if you want to keep them healthy for long. This makes the claimed range even shorter.
As for reliability, be prepared also to endure breakdowns that will leave you stranded for good. When a classic engine will have sounds and symptoms that might warn you in advance, most electric vehicles have lots of SPOFs (Single Point Of Failure). Any part of the engine fails? Stranded. The battery circuit fails? Stranded. The onboard computer fails? Stranded. And none of those you can fix with duct tape and a hammer ;-)

I found out that for now the pros/cons is only favorable when you're a wealthy urbanite or small commuter.
And that's a shame because all the torque instantly available in (relative) silence do make me want one!

PS: I'll keep an eye on this market, especially Erik Buell's project (https://fuell.us/us/fuell-fllow-e-motorcycle)

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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2020, 04:11:56 PM »
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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2020, 05:04:04 PM »
Not to mention that risk to life and limb if you are in a collision with another vehicle, which results in damage to the battery compartment. The resulting electrical fire can be fierce and fatal if you are trapped in or under the vehicle.

We have heard from our state-owned insurer that Tesla's are extremely expensive to repair, or unrepairable after a relatively minor collision. A T-bone accident to a Tesla that damages the doors on one side is often a write-off.
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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2020, 06:12:17 PM »
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Not to mention that risk to life and limb if you are in a collision with another vehicle, which results in damage to the battery compartment. The resulting electrical fire can be fierce and fatal if you are trapped in or under the vehicle.

We have heard from our state-owned insurer that Tesla's are extremely expensive to repair, or unrepairable after a relatively minor collision. A T-bone accident to a Tesla that damages the doors on one side is often a write-off.
Yes, there's a guy in the US that buys written off Teslas and install the batteries in all sorts of vehicles, fascinating show. He doesn't seem to have any shortage of supply.

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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2020, 08:15:11 AM »
Nah! Teslas do not crash!
AutoPilot is driven by a computer and everyone knows that Artificial Intelligence is as perfect as in SF movies!
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On a more serious note, high intensity batteries are a problem when you crash into a river for instance. The human heart doesn't like electrical surges.
Wondering how it goes with ADV e-bikes...

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Re: More silent exhaust
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2020, 09:42:12 PM »


Apparently still drivable Model 3 - project car!
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