Aftermarket exhaust

[jures]

No problems. Pannier rack does the job

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1GVUh1SXrkx3LL2Y9

To me it looks better as it is raw look of complete exhaust

[UrsusPolaris]

Thanks Jures

[papadop88]

Originally Posted by jures

No problems. Pannier rack does the job

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1GVUh1SXrkx3LL2Y9

To me it looks better as it is raw look of complete exhaust

Jures,

Quick question as I'm curious what you or others who already installed did with tuning.  I know with the Tiger 900s, folks would do the re-tune by starting the bike, letting the fan come on and then waiting 12 mins for the ECU to learn.  Is that true with our bikes?  Did you guys bother doing any of that?

[B1957]

Originally Posted by papadop88

Jures,

Quick question as I'm curious what you or others who already installed did with tuning.  I know with the Tiger 900s, folks would do the re-tune by starting the bike, letting the fan come on and then waiting 12 mins for the ECU to learn.  Is that true with our bikes?  Did you guys bother doing any of that?

I see this question asked all the time. These bikes have self learning ECUs. They automatically adapt to relatively minor changes such as exhaust so a remap is not needed. The so called 12 minute tune is a technique you can use IF the ECU does not adapt and there is a need to force it to do so. In virtually every case simply starting the bike and riding it for a time, say 15 minutes, will be sufficient as the ECU makes changes every 11 minutes on it own every time you ride it. But feel free to start your bike a have it idling for 12 minutes after the fan starts if that makes you feel more comfortable, but it almost certainly is not necessary. The same applies to, say, taking the bike from sea level to high in the mountains. The ECU will automatically adapt to the new atmospheric conditions.

[papadop88]

Originally Posted by B1957

I see this question asked all the time. These bikes have self learning ECUs. They automatically adapt to relatively minor changes such as exhaust so a remap is not needed. The so called 12 minute tune is a technique you can use IF the ECU does not adapt and there is a need to force it to do so. In virtually every case simply starting the bike and riding it for a time, say 15 minutes, will be sufficient as the ECU makes changes every 11 minutes on it own every time you ride it. But feel free to start your bike a have it idling for 12 minutes after the fan starts if that makes you feel more comfortable, but it almost certainly is not necessary. The same applies to, say, taking the bike from sea level to high in the mountains. The ECU will automatically adapt to the new atmospheric conditions.

Thank you!  I had the same feeling but wanted to make sure. I’ll skip the 12 min time and just ride her when I replace her. I’m also thinking I want to de-cat her so I’ve asked a buddy if he knows an exhaust guy that can bend me a midpipe to connect the can to the headers.  Waiting to hear back.  I assume in that instance, a remap most likely will be necessary.

[B1957]

Originally Posted by papadop88

Thank you!  I had the same feeling but wanted to make sure. I’ll skip the 12 min time and just ride her when I replace her. I’m also thinking I want to de-cat her so I’ve asked a buddy if he knows an exhaust guy that can bend me a midpipe to connect the can to the headers.  Waiting to hear back.  I assume in that instance, a remap most likely will be necessary.

I probably wouldn’t say a remap was essential after a de-cat but it won’t hurt and there might be some benefit. That said, I’ve de-catted a number of twins - Thruxton, Scrambler and T120 without remapping. Had the Thruxton checked on a dyno and had it confirmed that a:f was fine. Triples, being higher revving, might be a different story but I know a few who have done Tiger 900s and Street Triple with no remap and no problems. A remap might squeeze a bit more out of the engine but probably not necessary for safe running of the engine.

[papadop88]

Originally Posted by B1957

I probably wouldn’t say a remap was essential after a de-cat but it won’t hurt and there might be some benefit. That said, I’ve de-catted a number of twins - Thruxton, Scrambler and T120 without remapping. Had the Thruxton checked on a dyno and had it confirmed that a:f was fine. Triples, being higher revving, might be a different story but I know a few who have done Tiger 900s and Street Triple with no remap and no problems. A remap might squeeze a bit more out of the engine but probably not necessary for safe running of the engine.

For sure.  Just with my other bikes, when I swapped full exhausts (the Tiger would be the only bike without a full system) I had to remap everything to remove the leanness and the surging, backpressuring popping, etc.  So wasn't sure if I decatted the Tiger with just a mid pipe if it would change all that much since the header diameters would remain the same.  I guess I'll eventually try it and see how the bike responds.  I'm not concerned with squeezing anything more out of it since it has plenty of power for what the bike needs, but I do want to make sure that if it's running lean, I take care of that.

[Bjorn_OW]

Originally Posted by papadop88

Thank you!  I had the same feeling but wanted to make sure. I’ll skip the 12 min time and just ride her when I replace her. I’m also thinking I want to de-cat her so I’ve asked a buddy if he knows an exhaust guy that can bend me a midpipe to connect the can to the headers.  Waiting to hear back.  I assume in that instance, a remap most likely will be necessary.

According to The TT1200 PV01 Service Manual, the procedure for resetting ECM Adaptions has been revised from previous models. The Triumph diagnostic tool can be used. How ever, the section "Engine Adaption" discusses "Forcing Adaption to Take Place" as follows and thus can be used without diagnostic tool at hand:

1. Ensure the engine is cold.
2. WITHOUT TOUCHING THE THROTTLE, start the engine and allow it to warm up until the cooling fan comes on.
3. Turn the ignition OFF for at least 60 seconds to allow the adaption settings to be stored in ECM memory.

"Turn the ignition OFF" means turning the TT1200 totally off so that instrument panel etc. is off.

[papadop88]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_OW

According to The TT1200 PV01 Service Manual, the procedure for resetting ECM Adaptions has been revised from previous models. The Triumph diagnostic tool can be used. How ever, the section "Engine Adaption" discusses "Forcing Adaption to Take Place" as follows and thus can be used without diagnostic tool at hand:

1. Ensure the engine is cold.
2. WITHOUT TOUCHING THE THROTTLE, start the engine and allow it to warm up until the cooling fan comes on.
3. Turn the ignition OFF for at least 60 seconds to allow the adaption settings to be stored in ECM memory.

"Turn the ignition OFF" means turning the TT1200 totally off so that instrument panel etc. is off.

Thanks Bjorn.  Looks like it's slightly different the the current 900s. 

[papadop88]

Quick update from Arrow, for those of us in the states.

I received an email from Bellissimoto (where I ordered from) that the pannier version Arrow can has been shipped last Friday and should be arriving to Bellissimoto (Las Vegas) end of this week or early next week.  They ordered 3 additional ones on top of mine. So if anyone is looking for this can and wants it in the next week or so, reach out to Bellissimoto to order one.