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Are you Interested in an Aux tank?

No Interest, Why would you need one anyway?
38 (50%)
Yes, I'd like 3-4 extra gallons - its ok that I lose my pillion seat.
23 (30.3%)
Yes, I'd like 3-4 extra gallons - but I want to keep space for a pillion and lose my top box.
10 (13.2%)
Yes, take it to the Iron Butt limit of 6.5 gallons, lose the pillion and mount the top box to the tank.
5 (6.6%)

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Re: Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2013, 06:27:49 AM »
*Originally Posted by Rockit [+]
...<<<snippage>>> I really don't want anything that is big and bulky, looks bad and I have to worry about a fuel pump breaking down because it's after market.

Fuel pumps are not really something you need worry about if you buy a good one and remember to shut it off. Though none of my Aux tanks below ever had a pump.

Need not be ugly IMHO but if you eliminate rear seat and luggage rack tanks (bad idea IMHO) you are left with a tail dragger.  Samples of some of my tanks attached

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Re: Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2013, 07:56:51 AM »
*Originally Posted by lonerockz [+]

I'm always curious as to why people don't like fuel pumps. The fuel pump that I use on my Versys does not stop fuel low when its not on. If it fails to pump gravity still works (it might restrict flow some). It seems like people think if the pump fails to work no fuel will flow. So why not add pump to deal with times when gravity is not in your favor, like vapor locks and going up hills? Or to speed fuel delivery to the front tank? I plan on making my tank so that there is space for a pump, so that I have those options. But I'm thinking people wont have to buy it if they dont want to (assuming it really does flow with gravity alone).


I don't really have an issue with pumps but prefer to keep things as simple as possible. That being said I'd much rather have a pump than having to mount the fuel cell high for gravity feed.

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Re: Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2013, 03:49:29 PM »
*Originally Posted by lonerockz [+]
Rockit, I think its important that you get your dreams out there and let people know what they are. Hey if you don't ask you wont get!

That said... I doubt I'll be the guy to make you happy. A replacement tank is beyond my capability. And a program where people send me tanks for modification... would mean I'd be spending a lot of time dealing with that. While in my dreams I see this little endeavour as a launch pad for a small business... reality is that I will probably make a few tanks, sell them to a small number of people, make $0 on the enterprise and be done with it. I think that's the same thing that Dean Tanji experienced with his FJR tank. He made a few, and they are highly sought after by the Gen 1 FJR guys, people are making new tanks for the gen 2 FJR, but he no longer deals with it. (I really should talk to him...).

On another topic...



I'm always curious as to why people don't like fuel pumps. The fuel pump that I use on my Versys does not stop fuel low when its not on. If it fails to pump gravity still works (it might restrict flow some). It seems like people think if the pump fails to work no fuel will flow. So why not add pump to deal with times when gravity is not in your favor, like vapor locks and going up hills? Or to speed fuel delivery to the front tank? I plan on making my tank so that there is space for a pump, so that I have those options. But I'm thinking people wont have to buy it if they dont want to (assuming it really does flow with gravity alone).

Steve

Steve, One thing to remember is.. cool looking always sells over function. If you were to make an external tank say for the pillion and you made it look like the cover that the Speed Triple uses you are guaranteed success in your venture. I don't mind after market fuel pumps as long as they are the best made. Nothing is more frustrating then breaking down and you can't get parts for the pump. You don't know if the builder is using cheap crap parts or quality...and there just is not enough R&D someone does to test the pumps under extreme cold/heat ect for reliability around the globe.

With that said I would like to modify the tank...I haven't studied the tank but I'm sure someone could squeeze 2 more gallons/liters out of her. Keeping the weight close to the bike or down low is always the best choice. Maybe even just simply raising the top of the fuel tank larger..I don't know. 

As far as any business venture their are start up costs....If it were me I would search the net for wrecked tanks to work on as spares. Listening to guys on this board a few totaled them so far...there has to be more out there. 

You are right...you probably wont make much...that takes a lot of thought and planning but if you do you should be able to make something. If it where me I would figure what I'm going to offer. See what it takes to make one..figure you costs and pre-order and have people give you deposits so your guaranteed what you work on is sold. 

I firmly believe "it there is a will..there is a way" and "if you can dream it.. you can do/build it"   I have more custom parts on my bikes I make or have others make that are one of a kind...they look-work and function flawlessly. 
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Re: Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2013, 06:40:35 PM »
*Originally Posted by lonerockz [+]
While in my dreams I see this little endeavour as a launch pad for a small business... reality is that I will probably make a few tanks, sell them to a small number of people, make $0 on the enterprise and be done with it. I think that's the same thing that Dean Tanji experienced with his FJR tank. He made a few, and they are highly sought after by the Gen 1 FJR guys, people are making new tanks for the gen 2 FJR, but he no longer deals with it. (I really should talk to him...).

Hey Steve, I think one of the reasons Dean did not go into a larger production run was the litigious nature of the US consumer. It's all good, until it is not. Defending yourself can severely deplete resources let alone the costs of being found at fault.

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Re: Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2013, 07:07:56 PM »
*Originally Posted by Studley [+]
Hey Steve, I think one of the reasons Dean did not go into a larger production run was the litigious nature of the US consumer. It's all good, until it is not. Defending yourself can severely deplete resources let alone the costs of being found at fault.

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If he was worried about law suits he should just simply not sell to the US. When you run a business there are many factors that make you successful if you don't nail all of them your just pissing in the wind.
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Re: Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2013, 07:08:39 PM »
*Originally Posted by Studley [+]
Hey Steve, I think one of the reasons Dean did not go into a larger production run was the litigious nature of the US consumer. It's all good, until it is not. Defending yourself can severely deplete resources let alone the costs of being found at fault.

Studley

If I sell any I will from a LLC and sell it from there. Which make it a PITA and more work. But like I said I'm hoping it will turn into something more than just 5 tanks.

Rockit, did you ever see the bad ass tank on the Super Tenere World Crosser concept: http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/products/motorcycles/adventure/experience/articles.aspx?id=466142:


Now that is pure sex. Not sure my design chops are up to that! But we'll see what I can come up with...

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Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2013, 07:29:56 PM »
Rockit, did you ever see the bad ass tank on the Super Tenere World Crosser concept:



Now that is pure sex...

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Re: Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2013, 09:14:58 PM »
*Originally Posted by lonerockz [+]
If I sell any I will from a LLC and sell it from there. Which make it a PITA and more work. But like I said I'm hoping it will turn into something more than just 5 tanks.

Rockit, did you ever see the bad ass tank on the Super Tenere World Crosser concept: http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/products/motorcycles/adventure/experience/articles.aspx?id=466142:


Now that is pure sex. Not sure my design chops are up to that! But we'll see what I can come up with...

I've never seen that but it's "kick ass"  I would go for that.

Forming a LLC is good...a lot of insurance is better...posting "not for street use" might be the best option. D.O.T. testing yada yada BS. 
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Re: Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2013, 04:03:59 PM »
Hey Steve...why not think big. Make a reserve tank that looks as good as that one and test the hell out of it...then market it to Triumph. Triumph USA told me they make NONE of there accessories.  You can be the next Craig Vetter and Honda relationship. The weak point for the TEX is it sure does lack range. Every time I get a customer satisfaction survey from them I let them know.

Kind of an oxymoron...they named the bike Explorer and it can't even do 200 miles on a tank yet other bikes in the same class can do 300 miles plus. 
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Re: Aux Fuel Tanks
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2013, 06:12:59 PM »
*Originally Posted by Rockit [+]
If he was worried about law suits he should just simply not sell to the US. >>>snippage<<<

That makes good sense. Forgo the domestic market where you have intimate market knowledge and start overseas where you don't know sh*te. You in the consulting business Rockit?

It's easy to think big and be critical when it is not your money.

Sorry Rockit, were going to disagree on this one

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