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Title: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Stageleftblues on September 23, 2017, 03:32:54 AM
Hi,

Tonight I installed a Trophy rim on my Explorer. I painted the rim with Performix Plastic Dip from AutoZone to match the front rim.

Since I didn't want to scratch the rim so I installed a Dunlop RoadSmart II 190/55zr-17 by hand. About 1.9% Shorter that stock tire

The rim was touching the swing arm so I carefully grinded the seam of the swing arm down.

I also put some well sized fitted washers on each stud to move the rim out from the swing arm about 1/20 of an inch.

I had to loosened the muffler and moved it out over an inch with washers to keep the tire from touching and use a longer bolt.

I then took the bike for a 30 mile ride. The bike feels much smoother over bumps and feels more planted.

It does not appear to me to be identical to the Trophy drive train.

So far I am very happy and have a few days before I leave on a 1500 mi trip to sort out an potential problems.

Just wanted to share what I had found. I am very happy so far.

I would probably use a 180 tire next time as the 190 is very wide.

Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: CaptainTrips on September 23, 2017, 05:20:07 PM
I would want to be awfully cautious about this. Using washers as spacers on the hub shortens the amount of available thread on the wheel studs and displaces the wheel from the center line of the bike. You will want to keep a close eye on the wheel nuts to ensure that they don't work loose or strip.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Jon on September 23, 2017, 10:20:05 PM
Dumb question, not my first... Why? Not trying to be on confrontational, just realy would like to get it. :027:
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: CaptainTrips on September 24, 2017, 12:40:01 AM
*Originally Posted by Jon [+]
Dumb question, not my first... Why? Not trying to be on confrontational, just realy would like to get it. :027:
I'm curious too. I'm not sure that the risks are worth the benefits.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Griff on September 24, 2017, 10:25:23 AM
Given that the tyre is already rubbing the swingarm and some shaving was required to alleviate this, I suspect one should also allow for tyre expansion when fully up to heat.

I also tend to agree with the other points made by Trips, but like Him and Jon I am also curious as to why the mod was required.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Stageleftblues on September 24, 2017, 06:58:10 PM
Hi,

The purpose of my post is to put information out there for others that are thinking about doing the same thing.

The proof will be in the pudding. I will update this again after my trip to the mountains with a review.

Our highway dept. ruined one of our best local motorcycle roads with large stones and black greasy tar. I did however put 130 mi on this setup with some twists and turns.

1. I gain a larger selection of possible quality tire purchases. This nice Dunlop 190/55-zr17 was only $107.00 and had a very good video review.

2. A little more meat on the road - I tend to use the traction control almost every time I ride.

3. This size tire has given the bike a 20% better ride. The bike would see-saw with some bumps, now soaks them up nice.

4. It looks BADD-ASSS.

I would like others who have done this to comment and would like to know if the new 3" front rim will fit on the first gen bike.

I would like to know what you can do - Not what you can't.

Keep the rubber side down  :192:






Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: kwacka on September 24, 2017, 08:44:39 PM
Not saying this is good or bad, but there is no way you would get insurance in UK for a mod that alters wheels and tyres from manufacturer spec.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Jon on September 24, 2017, 09:08:19 PM
I'll be sure to watch this space... Best of luck with your venture.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Stageleftblues on September 24, 2017, 09:19:49 PM
Thanks, I just wanted to add if you're viewing this as a guest you are
missing the pictures that I have posted :305:
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: CaptainTrips on September 25, 2017, 03:32:15 AM
Good luck.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: kwacka on September 25, 2017, 05:19:08 PM
*Originally Posted by Stageleftblues [+]
Thanks, I just wanted to add if you're viewing this as a guest you are
missing the pictures that I have posted :305:

Er, if we were viewing as guests we wouldn't be allowed to post. You don't really need pictures to explain what you've done......
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: CaptainTrips on September 25, 2017, 07:43:09 PM
*Originally Posted by Stageleftblues [+]
I would like others who have done this to comment and would like to know if the new 3" front rim will fit on the first gen bike.
I would be awfully surprised if anyone else has tried this. To begin with, I don't know where you would find a Trophy rear wheel that is not attached to a Trophy. So few of those bikes were sold prior to its discontinuation. And I can't imagine anyone spending the money on a new wheel to try this.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer - Ride Review
Post by: Stageleftblues on October 11, 2017, 06:49:29 PM
  :047:

Ok Here it is.

I pushed hard 1500 miles on this rim in 4 days which included 500 miles of aggressive mountain twisties.

The 190/55zr17 Dunlop performed very well no slipping. I would use a 180 faster turn in tire next time.

The offset is about 3/4 of an inch off, meaning middle of tire is un-centered.

My front pr4 had 7 to 8k and was near it's end of life. Tire wore faster on one side.

I did not run the washers I had put on the tire studs.

The back tire still appeared to be tracking in the middle but was slower on right hand turns.

I had to work hard in the tight corners but always felt that way on the stock 150/70zr17 also.

The best part of the Triumph Trophy rim was a better ride. It did not work against the front stock springs.

This would be a good setup for someone who does a lot of straight line riding.

I am leaning towards purchasing a tiger 800 for the aggressive mountain riding and keeping the explorer for touring.

I will update later with tire wear info.

Bryan  :169:

Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: CaptainTrips on October 12, 2017, 05:21:07 PM
I once bought a first gen Gold Wing that had an unintentional 1/2" offset of front wheel track from rear wheel (I think that it had been run into a soft ditch and the steering head was twisted). In addition to weird tire wire, it also had unpredictable handling issues at slow speeds and at highway speeds, meaning that it would drop into a turn to the left and fight a turn to the right. Going straight, it would wander at slow speeds and it was a pain in stop and crawl traffic because I was always fighting to keep it straight.

Good luck with yours.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on October 12, 2019, 11:50:27 PM
Update on this thread....I am also in the middle of doing the trophy rear wheel mod and would like to share a couple of points. With the rear wheel mounted without a tire its center line is 15mm to the right side without washers or spacers...I don't want to be running my rear wheel off center nor do i want to be using washers as a spacer so my plan is to obtain another rear diff (keeping my original intact) and use the disc carrier to machine 5mm off this and 10 mm from the inside face of the wheel were there is massive amounts to spare from the casting, this would also involve machining the same off the stepped center part of the wheel which sits on the stepped carrier. Doing away with the very dangerous practice of mounting the wheel on the studs alone. Running a 180 section tire and not a 190 is then possible without intrusive grinding to the swingarm...I am also going to fit a front wheel from a 2007-2012 Street Triple and this being 17" also will enable more sport/track tire choices and imho will look supermoto fantastico ..Now i await the barrage of "why" and "you cant do that"  LOL  :001: :182:   
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: CaptainTrips on October 13, 2019, 03:40:28 AM
*Originally Posted by belpas [+]
..I am also going to fit a front wheel from a 2007-2012 Street Triple and this being 17" also will enable more sport/track tire choices and imho will look supermoto fantastico ..Now i await the barrage of "why" and "you cant do that"  LOL  :001: :182:
To each his own. The 17" front rim will lower the front end and change the steering geometry. But then, if the front wheel spends most of its time in the air, you probably don't care...  :038:
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Regi T on October 13, 2019, 07:40:32 AM
*Originally Posted by belpas [+]
I don't want to be running my rear wheel off center
I think you will find that the rear wheel already runs off centre from the factory.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: CaptainTrips on October 13, 2019, 12:36:05 PM
*Originally Posted by Regi T [+]
I think you will find that the rear wheel already runs off centre from the factory.
More likely that the rear fender is off-center:

https://www.tiger-explorer.com/index.php/topic,10839.0.html (https://www.tiger-explorer.com/index.php/topic,10839.0.html)



Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Tiger Lad on October 13, 2019, 02:23:04 PM
Talking as an engineer with the rear wheel off centre to the front  it would obliviously effect the corning stability, here in the uk the bike would not pass a annual MOT inspection,the wheel alignment is part the inspection.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on October 13, 2019, 06:33:43 PM
*Originally Posted by Tiger Lad [+]
Talking as an engineer with the rear wheel off centre to the front  it would obliviously effect the corning stability, here in the uk the bike would not pass a annual MOT inspection,the wheel alignment is part the inspection.

They do not use any form of alignment tool or apparatus to check wheel alignment on the MOT test only headlight alignment..
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Tiger Lad on October 13, 2019, 07:34:03 PM
All the bikes I have had MOTs carried out at various places all the mechanics  looked at the front wheel in relation to back wheel an obvious out of wheel alignment would be a MOT failure. (So they tell me)
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on October 13, 2019, 08:16:15 PM
*Originally Posted by Tiger Lad [+]
All the bikes I have had MOTs carried out at various places all the mechanics  looked at the front wheel in relation to back wheel an obvious out of wheel alignment would be a MOT failure. (So they tell me)
Yea sorry i was a bit miss leading in my post...they check with a visual check but i have never witnessed any mechanical appliance used in any MOT inspection and my very close friend who is a MOT inspector says unless he see,s something amiss he will visual check...if he thinks something is not right then he has a pair of aluminum square poles to then check closer and frame damage being the main culprit..   
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on October 14, 2019, 08:09:55 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
To each his own. The 17" front rim will lower the front end and change the steering geometry. But then, if the front wheel spends most of its time in the air, you probably don't care...  :038:

Being almost 60 years of age and riding since i was 12 i find that perception of me a bit puzzling  :187: now sit at the back and keep your hand on your head for the rest of the lesson :150:   
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: CaptainTrips on October 15, 2019, 01:46:42 AM
*Originally Posted by belpas [+]
Being almost 60 years of age and riding since i was 12 i find that perception of me a bit puzzling  :187: now sit at the back and keep your hand on your head for the rest of the lesson :150:
What else would you be doing with a "supermoto fantastico" besides wheelies??
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on October 15, 2019, 07:40:30 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
What else would you be doing with a "supermoto fantastico" besides wheelies??
EDIT...cant be bothered,ime out.   
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on November 10, 2019, 07:16:36 PM
 2015 trophy rim with a 180 rear with no spaces or washers :164: and a 17" front wheel and discs from a 2009 street triple with the explorer ABS ring fitted..new bush kit and seals on the fork legs, new seals in calipers and fresh paint. I just done the wheels with a rattle can satin black untill i find a painter good enough to paint the wheels in the OEM grey just to confuse onlookers :001:...reports are the bike rides perfect with a much faster turn in running the 17" front..all in all the bike now feels much more planted..she is now put away till the spring and better weather..

(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/180explorer5.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on November 10, 2019, 07:49:42 PM
few more pics

(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/180explorer10.jpg)

Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: jannerman on November 10, 2019, 08:47:47 PM
I can't for the life of me understand why (other than, because you can) but I will say that from your explanation and photos, it does seem to be well thought through and executed.  :152: Out of curiosity, did you do the machining yourself?
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on November 10, 2019, 09:07:20 PM
*Originally Posted by jannerman [+]
I can't for the life of me understand why (other than, because you can) but I will say that from your explanation and photos, it does seem to be well thought through and executed.  :152: Out of curiosity, did you do the machining yourself?
Yes buddy i do everything myself :016:...I love my Triumph and i also love the BMW S1000xr and the Multistrada Ducati but i cant have 3 so i have kind of pulled a little bit off the other two and kept the Triumph..Plus the TV is not worth watching each night so its workshop time :002:
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: jannerman on November 10, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
I was a bit sceptical about the OP's setup with a huge offset and still needing to grind the swing arm for clearance, it didn't sound like a terribly well engineered solution to me. Yours sounds like a much more professional and dare I say safe job :001: + it's all fully reversible if for some reason you want/need to.

Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on November 10, 2019, 09:37:44 PM
*Originally Posted by jannerman [+]
I was a bit sceptical about the OP's setup with a huge offset and still needing to grind the swing arm for clearance, it didn't sound like a terribly well engineered solution to me. Yours sounds like a much more professional and dare I say safe job :001: + it's all fully reversible if for some reason you want/need to.

I never liked the 1st posters solution either :005:..i have used sacrificial parts and i can return the bike back to how God created it in a couple of hours. I will not disclose how its done as i don't want somebody trying to copy and not understanding the machining procedure and resulting in injury..plus i would never sell my bike in this guise for the same reason.   
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: ngnlnv on November 10, 2019, 11:04:17 PM
Nice one mate. I will have to pop along and see this beauty.
Well gel. Interested to know what difference it has made to the handling. Not that I have ever found mine wanting. But it does look a bit to skinny on the back end. That looks boss.
Take it easy. H
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: CaptainTrips on November 11, 2019, 05:46:03 PM
What's the canister for that is strapped on the right-hand crash guard? Let us know how it handles off the pavement.
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on November 11, 2019, 06:56:56 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
What's the canister for that is strapped on the right-hand crash guard? Let us know how it handles off the pavement.
It will never go off the pavement so who knows how it handles...as for the canister, 4 years ago i had stage 3 bladder cancer and they had to remove it along with other sticky bits..i plug my piss bag into the rubber pipe and it drains into the canister on long rides :169:. Ime a Roofer by trade and the problem never stopped me working too :038:   
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: Will Morgan on November 11, 2019, 07:14:20 PM
*Originally Posted by belpas [+]
It will never go off the pavement so who knows how it handles...as for the canister, 4 years ago i had stage 3 bladder cancer and they had to remove it along with other sticky bits..i plug my piss bag into the rubber pipe and it drains into the canister on long rides :169:. Ime a Roofer by trade and the problem never stopped me working too :038:   

 :020:  Respect! Superb life attitude, an example to be followed by any unfortunate to have any medical condition that inhibits them in any way. Even for minor ailments you're inspirational  :047:
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on November 11, 2019, 07:20:16 PM
*Originally Posted by Will Morgan [+]
:020:  Respect! Superb life attitude, an example to be followed by any unfortunate to have any medical condition that inhibits them in any way. Even for minor ailments you're inspirational  :047:
Thank you mate..had 2 choices, let Cancer kill me or fight the Baztard and carry on. Ironically i go for my 4th year MRI in 4 weeks to see if i can ride next summer or go to sleep :008: :008:
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: isb on November 11, 2019, 07:40:40 PM
Love your attitude!
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: vsteel on November 13, 2019, 01:44:05 PM
*Originally Posted by belpas [+]
...as for the canister, 4 years ago i had stage 3 bladder cancer and they had to remove it along with other sticky bits..i plug my piss bag into the rubber pipe and it drains into the canister on long rides :169:. Ime a Roofer by trade and the problem never stopped me working too :038:   

You sir, win the internet!  :047:
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: jannerman on November 13, 2019, 08:23:57 PM
 :0461:
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on November 23, 2019, 07:42:09 PM
Anyway guys back on  topic...Its now completed..The hugger is a Powerbronze i think,i have cut of the original ugly bracket that goes to the caliper and re-worked a new piece of metal and welded it to the original top part and fixed to the torsion bar which i think looks a lot more discreet..It will now sit and wait till spring as i don't ride my bikes once they start throwing corrosive salt all over the highways :009:

(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/explorer4.jpg)

(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/explorer9.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: belpas on November 23, 2019, 07:50:46 PM
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Title: Re: 2013 Trophy Rim on 2013 Explorer
Post by: isb on November 24, 2019, 10:34:30 PM
Looks sharp