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Title: Mpg?
Post by: McCrae72 on April 16, 2018, 03:07:02 PM
Interested in what mpg others are getting from their gen2’s.
I’ve just completed an 837 mile trip to the lakes and my mpg average went up to 49 but is now back to 48.8.
That doesn’t seem overly good to me?
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: ijinak on April 16, 2018, 04:58:58 PM
That seems pretty good MPG. My Gen 1 only gets just over 40mpg
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 16, 2018, 05:02:25 PM
*Originally Posted by ijinak [+]
That seems pretty good MPG. My Gen 1 only gets just over 40mpg
Don't forget that the UK gallon is larger than the US gallon.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Fazer on April 16, 2018, 05:35:15 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Don't forget that the UK gallon is larger than the US gallon.

Good point ijinak:

40 miles/ US gallon = 48 miles / UK gallon.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: McCrae72 on April 16, 2018, 05:44:15 PM
*Originally Posted by Fazer [+]
Good point ijinak:

40 miles/ US gallon = 48 miles / UK gallon.

Yeah I just found that out too, ok maybe I’m off with my expectations, just thought that I’d get more mpg especially on motorway cruising.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: bazthebike on April 16, 2018, 05:59:10 PM
17/xcx with pillion,(lightweight), and topbox 46.6mpg. no motorways or cruising.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 16, 2018, 06:07:24 PM
I know that my gen1 gets down into the mid 30's when riding in town.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Will Morgan on April 16, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
The mpg control is in your right hand   :008:
I have seen over 50mpg average.....but don't dare check it if I'm pressing on a bit  :164:
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: McCrae72 on April 16, 2018, 07:58:21 PM
So I’m getting pretty good mpg and I need to ride my bike harder is the general consensus  :152:
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: unsubtle on April 16, 2018, 08:29:53 PM
*Originally Posted by McCrae72 [+]
gen2’s : ... my mpg average went up to 49 but is now back to 48.8.
That doesn’t seem overly good to me?

Doesn't sound great. I usually get 51-54mpg Imperial on my Mk 1, including motorway work. On Sunday I did about 230 miles with top box and panniers cruising at 80 indicated and got 54mpg. I've got that down to about 48mpg when cruising at 90 (indicated). I have a Madstad screen and winglets, and I think those cost me about 3mpg relative to the original screen, but that was too noisy to use at speed.

What speed are you cruising at, and do you have luggage? What screen are you running?
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: McCrae72 on April 16, 2018, 09:24:17 PM
I have the ali panniers and top box, not fully loaded as I was only away for a weekend, motorway work was conservative so 80 to 85 but mostly 80. Standard screen and winglets, scorpion exhaust. While on the motorway homeward the mpg dropped from 49 to 48.7, I do have the occasional burst of speed but mostly cruising. To be fair I was expecting to see 50+ mpg but I really don’t know how I could achieve that without changing my riding dramatically it seems.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 16, 2018, 09:42:13 PM
*Originally Posted by McCrae72 [+]
I have the ali panniers and top box, not fully loaded as I was only away for a weekend, motorway work was conservative so 80 to 85 but mostly 80. Standard screen and winglets, scorpion exhaust. While on the motorway homeward the mpg dropped from 49 to 48.7, I do have the occasional burst of speed but mostly cruising. To be fair I was expecting to see 50+ mpg but I really don’t know how I could achieve that without changing my riding dramatically it seems.
Have you done the 12-minute tune up since installing the Scorpion exhaust? My mileage actually improved by 0.6 ltr / 100 kms after I installed the Arrow exhaust and performed the 12-minute tune up.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: NH on April 16, 2018, 09:49:08 PM
Riding one-up I usually get around 52-53 mpg, I don't think I've ever got it down to 50 no matter how I ride. The average stays pretty much constant riding local with a topbox or touring europe with heavy panniers and the topbox. I have fun but don't scream the engine everywhere.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: McCrae72 on April 16, 2018, 10:19:28 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Have you done the 12-minute tune up since installing the Scorpion exhaust? My mileage actually improved by 0.6 ltr / 100 kms after I installed the Arrow exhaust and performed the 12-minute tune up.

No I haven’t, but the fueling doesn’t seem off. Maybe I’ll give it a shot and see if it helps.
The bike has only done 2k miles so probably will loosen up a bit more as yet.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 16, 2018, 11:07:27 PM
*Originally Posted by McCrae72 [+]
No I haven’t, but the fueling doesn’t seem off. Maybe I’ll give it a shot and see if it helps.
The bike has only done 2k miles so probably will loosen up a bit more as yet.
It's an easy fix. I highly recommend it.  :002:
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: nuttySweeet on April 17, 2018, 11:53:18 AM
On my Gen 3 with spirited riding commuting from Essex into London every day, I get about 43mpg. On longer trips on the Motorway, I get anywhere between 50-60mpg depending on traffic and speed. If I was to stay in the slow lane I reckon I could get 80mpg easy.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: wrinkley on April 17, 2018, 01:04:03 PM
Lets be right here, if you're worried about 2-3 mile per gallon, it's maybe time to give up biking.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: vsteel on April 17, 2018, 02:27:47 PM
*Originally Posted by nuttySweeet [+]
On my Gen 3 with spirited riding commuting from Essex into London every day, I get about 43mpg. On longer trips on the Motorway, I get anywhere between 50-60mpg depending on traffic and speed. If I was to stay in the slow lane I reckon I could get 80mpg easy.

My gen 3 I get about 45mpg (US) commuting and I think 55mph for a long trip I could get into the 60s for mileage.  If I hit the interstate and do 80 mph (the speed limit here) I am down around 30-35 mpg.  I have a top box but no side cases.


Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 17, 2018, 04:09:07 PM
*Originally Posted by wrinkley [+]
Lets be right here, if you're worried about 2-3 mile per gallon, it's maybe time to give up biking.
Well, it is not just the cost, that is a concern for some, it is also the range, given the smallish fuel capacity of the TEX. Not everyone rides in places where there is a gas station every 10 blocks.  :038:
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: McCrae72 on April 17, 2018, 04:15:10 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Well, it is not just the cost, that is a concern for some, it is also the range, given the smallish fuel capacity of the TEX. Not everyone rides in places where there is a gas station every 10 blocks.  :038:

Well said.
It’s not about costs and I’m not likely to stop riding after 30+ years because of the mpg, I was interested to see how my bike faired compared to others as a sub 200 mile tank range is new to me and I wanted to make sure it was normal.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: unsubtle on April 17, 2018, 07:24:58 PM
The fuel gauge is not as good as it might be. I run down to zero miles remaining at about 190-205 miles from full. I've run it 20 miles at 60mph past that point, but I think most people would be nervous about burning that last reserve. Pushing the old beast would be a bit of a challenge.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: McCrae72 on April 17, 2018, 07:32:44 PM
Now that’s a problem, I was told when I picked up my bike that I should believe the fuel gauge and if it said I was empty I would be. I really should take a can of fuel with me and run it dry and see how accurate it really is.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: markis42 on April 17, 2018, 08:00:46 PM
Always get 200 plus miles from a tank where ever I go. Mostly two up with top box and Batzen screen set at middle height.
Its all about the right hand at the end of the day and I probably ride steadily compared to some others. Having said that that's possibly why I am still riding after 40 years.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: vsteel on April 17, 2018, 10:19:39 PM
I seem to be filling up around the 190 mile mark and it is taking roughly 4.2 gallons (US).  There should be almost a gallon left in the tank if the specs are correct. 
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: pcarnut on April 19, 2018, 04:54:54 PM
*Originally Posted by McCrae72 [+]
Well said.
It’s not about costs and I’m not likely to stop riding after 30+ years because of the mpg, I was interested to see how my bike faired compared to others as a sub 200 mile tank range is new to me and I wanted to make sure it was normal.
  I consistently can go 200 miles on a tank and have fuel left over.  Last tank on my Gen 3 I went something like 15 miles past "0" miles remaining and put in 4.7 gal.  This is consistent with my Gen 2 and also my 1050.  Basically, when it gets to one bar remaining, you've got one gallon left, ride/plan accordingly. 
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 19, 2018, 05:15:49 PM
And yet, there have been a couple of postings over the years from people who have said that 0 miles displayed was literally the end of the road for them. In some ways, I wish that the miles to zero countdown could be turned off. I just find it misleading and stress-inducing.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Fazer on April 19, 2018, 07:00:07 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
And yet, there have been a couple of postings over the years from people who have said that 0 miles displayed was literally the end of the road for them. In some ways, I wish that the miles to zero countdown could be turned off. I just find it misleading and stress-inducing.

Just select one of the other possible variables (odo, ave speed, inst fuel cons etc) when the display changes automatically to ‘range’. No-one forces you to watch it counting down to zero.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 19, 2018, 08:13:21 PM
*Originally Posted by Fazer [+]
Just select one of the other possible variables (odo, ave speed, inst fuel cons etc) when the display changes automatically to ‘range’. No-one forces you to watch it counting down to zero.
Yeah, I know...  :155:
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: pcarnut on April 20, 2018, 03:48:58 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
And yet, there have been a couple of postings over the years from people who have said that 0 miles displayed was literally the end of the road for them. In some ways, I wish that the miles to zero countdown could be turned off. I just find it misleading and stress-inducing.
  I get that.  I'm the same way when I see that orange fuel light come on way too early.  Once it's on, my discomfort level goes up.  It's there for a reason, but it sure comes on early.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 20, 2018, 04:34:30 PM
*Originally Posted by pcarnut [+]
  I get that.  I'm the same way when I see that orange fuel light come on way too early.  Once it's on, my discomfort level goes up.  It's there for a reason, but it sure comes on early.
On my bike, the initial mileage remaining number always seems to be optimistic. Then, as the remaining mileage ticks down, it appears to be at a rate that is about double the actual mileage traveled. Next time it happens, I will take the initial countdown number and compare it against my average fuel consumption on the basis of 1 gallon remaining, and see how close it is.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 20, 2018, 09:50:17 PM
Here is a followup to the miles remaining question. Today, I went out for a ride and planned a fuel stop halfway through. About 10 kms (6 miles) from the fuel stop, the warning came on and the displayed showed 65 kms (39 miles) remaining. I rode the 10 kms (6 miles) to the fuel stop, but the display still showed 61 kms (36.5 miles) remaining instead of  55 kms (33 miles) remaining.

So what does this mean? Well, on my bike, after the countdown to empty starts, the calculated mileage remaining isn't linear. It starts off over-estimating the mileage remaining and then as it gets closer to empty, it compensates by under-estimating mileage remaining, which means that miles to zero drop faster than actual miles traveled.

When I stopped for fuel, I put 15.65 ltr (4.13 US gallons) in the tank (20 ltr = US 5.28 gallons). That seems about right -- about 39 miles to the US gallon (combined city and hwy riding) which is typical for me in town.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: smorgan on April 30, 2018, 12:55:43 PM
Or the miles remaining value is responding to people changing their riding style 😊 once the light comes on how many people back off and start eking out the fuel left ?
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on April 30, 2018, 04:10:17 PM
*Originally Posted by smorgan [+]
Or the miles remaining value is responding to people changing their riding style 😊 once the light comes on how many people back off and start eking out the fuel left ?
Well, not me.  I ride conservatively 95% of the time and even more so when I am down to two bars on the fuel gauge.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Triumphxrx on May 02, 2018, 02:03:43 AM
2017 1200 XRx first tank was 44 mpg, still on second tank and hit my 500 service warning and still have 3 clicks on fuel gauge.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: BarnsleyBob on May 04, 2018, 10:08:09 AM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
On my bike, the initial mileage remaining number always seems to be optimistic. Then, as the remaining mileage ticks down, it appears to be at a rate that is about double the actual mileage traveled. Next time it happens, I will take the initial countdown number and compare it against my average fuel consumption on the basis of 1 gallon remaining, and see how close it is.

Mine's similar to that. I've found that if I ride 'steady' after filling it right up the 'range to empty' will often show 260-270 miles, which I know I never get and it does seem to drop quicker once the tank is showing half.

That said, I usually fill up when the light comes on anyway (or soon after) but I've found that this means I'm usually putting about 15 litres in, so there's clearly plenty left. I also find it easy to average 50-55mpg (according to the bike) on long runs, sometimes it goes up around 60mpg but equally, if I'm out for a blast with friends it can drop to low 40's...
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Dilbert on May 04, 2018, 12:17:39 PM
On a recent run down to Hereford (250 mile scenic version) I managed 49.5 UK mpg, 207miles on the trip meter and filled up with just shy of 19.5litres, not hanging about on the open road, but a fair bit of pootling around towns and villages, no motorways.

I usually get between 46-48 UK mpg, but a lot of that is shorter 20mile commuting to work  :028:
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: McCrae72 on May 06, 2018, 05:24:05 PM
Well I did the 12 min tune up, and I’ve also put the puig touring screen (which I hate) and I got 203 miles with 16.5 miles still showing on the fuel range. I think the bike is still loosening up as it’s still only done 2500 miles so I’m pretty confident that 200+ miles from a tank will be the norm, happy with that.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: russ999rocket on May 07, 2018, 07:29:13 PM
My 2016 XRX now has 14,000 miles on the clock and;

All with no aluminium Triumph panniers;

All solo or two up, does not seem to make a difference;


Average cross country bimbling 52-56mpg
Motorway work at 75mph, light winds 50-52mpg

With aluminium Triumph panniers fitted;
Average cross country bimbling 49-52mpg
Motorway work at 75mph, light winds 48-52mpg
European Motorway work at 85mph, strong winds 42-46mpg

I trust the miles left readout without question and the most miles per tank was 221 with it showing 0 left in the tank when I pulled into the petrol station close to my home.



Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: JG_XRT on May 13, 2018, 10:24:34 PM
I am getting 37.8 MPG on my 2017 TEX XRT.

Mileage seems to go up until I get on the freeway.  Freeway speeds of 80+ MPH really suck down the fuel.

On a recent trip home from the Moonshine Lunch Run, the weather turned cold (34 F) and I ran into stiff headwinds and crosswinds north of Indianapolis.  The mileage for that tank of fuel dropped to about 26.5 MPG.  I had to keep hauling a$$ to beat the sub-freezing temps and predicted snow/freezing rain.  In April.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: bonzo1050 on May 14, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
2016 XRT 14,000 miles panniers,top box and pillion never drops much below 53mpg.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Sprocket on May 14, 2018, 08:59:23 PM
Gen 1 - 60 mile a day commute, between 55 and 60mpg, I usually set cruise control at an indicated 70 on motorway, full use of the throttle when accelerating  :305:..... Well it is good fun...
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: XCaTel on August 09, 2018, 04:08:57 PM
2000km trip to Scotland last weekend, mixed riding of back roads, A-Roads and ~ 300km motorway thrown in. Averaged 51MPG Imperial on my Gen 3. Non too shoddy I think, happy with that.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Triumphxrx on August 09, 2018, 04:19:41 PM
2017 Explorer XRX new off the floor in March, was getting 43 mph but now that it has a 1000+ miles I am up to 52.5 mph.  Getting happy. :001:
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: mds141 on August 09, 2018, 06:46:26 PM
300 mile ride out to Hinckley yesterday. Averaging 52.8. That’s with the cruise set to 70 mph indicating on the Garmin.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: uglybeard on August 09, 2018, 08:44:25 PM
I've been happy with my Gen 1 getting 46-48 Imp mpg for the last 33,000 miles.  Fitted K&N air filter a month ago and now getting 53-55mpg.  Very surprised. 

I toured the US on my Bonneville last year and was astonished at the variation in my mpg - from low 40s IMP to 60+.  I think it was mainly right hand related, but I'm sure that fuel quality is more variable in the US.

Regards,

Richard
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Big_Mac on August 09, 2018, 09:07:58 PM
*Originally Posted by uglybeard [+]
I've been happy with my Gen 1 getting 46-48 Imp mpg for the last 33,000 miles.  Fitted K&N air filter a month ago and now getting 53-55mpg.  Very surprised. 

I toured the US on my Bonneville last year and was astonished at the variation in my mpg - from low 40s IMP to 60+.  I think it was mainly right hand related, but I'm sure that fuel quality is more variable in the US.

Regards,

Richard

Depending and when you were riding and where you got your gas definitely would have played into it and you wrist.  Most gas stations sell ethanol gasoline in most states.  There are stations that do pure gasoline and that would have given you a good bump.  I have read the it is a minimum of 10% better gas mileage for ethanol free gas.

Did the K&N make any other diffs with your Gen 1?
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: uglybeard on August 09, 2018, 09:11:42 PM
It feels like it's accelerating and going better, but I've fitted much needed new plugs too, so that might account for that.

Regards,

Richard
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Triumphxrx on August 09, 2018, 09:50:35 PM
Question:  Since most of you are across the pond from the USA, when you refer to MPG and Speed, are yall talking USA mph or metric , USA Gallons or Imperial gallons and Kilometers per hour. 

You have to educate us Hillbillies over here in the states
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: uglybeard on August 09, 2018, 10:09:31 PM
The miles are the same in the USA and UK.  It's the gallons that are different.  I went nuts last year trying to convert US gallons into Imperial (UK) gallons.  There are 16 fl ozs in a US pint, but 20 fl ozs in an Imperial (UK) pint.  So an Imperial pint must be 25% bigger - yes?  No, it's only 20% bigger!  Because US fl ozs are bigger than Imperial fl ozs.  Who'd have guessed! There's the same number of pints in both gallons though.

Working all that out passes quite a few miles on a bike.  Then you can convert both US and Imperial gallons into litres and use up more time and brain cells.

Regards,

Richard
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Triumphxrx on August 09, 2018, 10:36:57 PM
Thanks that good to know I thought your gallons were larger.  I would have never guessed that the ounces were larger.  Last time I was figuring different MPG it was some years back when I was riding in Canada.

Nick
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: XCaTel on August 09, 2018, 10:52:32 PM
*Originally Posted by Triumphxrx [+]
Thanks that good to know I thought your gallons were larger.  I would have never guessed that the ounces were larger.  Last time I was figuring different MPG it was some years back when I was riding in Canada.

Nick
Imperial gallons are larger.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: kenw on August 10, 2018, 12:18:50 AM
*Originally Posted by uglybeard [+]
The miles are the same in the USA and UK.  It's the gallons that are different.  I went nuts last year trying to convert US gallons into Imperial (UK) gallons.  There are 16 fl ozs in a US pint, but 20 fl ozs in an Imperial (UK) pint.  So an Imperial pint must be 25% bigger - yes?  No, it's only 20% bigger!  Because US fl ozs are bigger than Imperial fl ozs.  Who'd have guessed! There's the same number of pints in both gallons though.
I wonder who is the genius responsible for that.  Stupid is too mild a word.   :087:
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: vsteel on August 10, 2018, 02:18:59 AM
*Originally Posted by uglybeard [+]
Then you can convert both US and Imperial gallons into litres and use up more time and brain cells.

MPG????  Back in my day we had rods per hogs head and we liked it!!!!   You all and your new fangled units!!!

 :001:

Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: Gwilym on August 10, 2018, 07:02:05 AM
Tyres (model and pressures) will affect MPG.

In a 3000 mile trip round Spain on TKC70's I was getting 54mpg. This was with a full set of luggage on board and mainly mountain and coast roads. only about 300m done on Motorways.

The bike is now in the shop having some Pirelli Scorpion Rally STRs fitted and I expect MPG to drop a little as they are a bit "nobbly"
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: JG_XRT on August 11, 2018, 05:37:42 PM
Mine is getting better.  It's up to 39.6 over the last 6000 miles.

Can get much btter if I keep it under 75 mph, or keep the throttle hand under control.

Speaking of the throttle hand, it seems the TEX is goverend at 129 mph.   :038:
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: jaiyenyen on August 11, 2018, 06:28:38 PM
*Originally Posted by McCrae72 [+]
Interested in what mpg others are getting from their gen2’s.
I’ve just completed an 837 mile trip to the lakes and my mpg average went up to 49 but is now back to 48.8.
That doesn’t seem overly good to me?
  Up to you and your right hand, ridden hard around 40 mpg, ridden easy at 55 mph probably around 50 to 55 mpg or maybe even more. I will probably never know as I have a problem with my right hand.
Title: Re: Mpg?
Post by: CaptainTrips on August 11, 2018, 06:28:45 PM
*Originally Posted by kenw [+]
I wonder who is the genius responsible for that.  Stupid is too mild a word.   :087:
After the American revolutionary war, I think that they rejected all things British and went their own way. Even their marine buoy navigation system was reversed during the war to confuse the British navy and it has remained that way ever since (for North America).