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Title: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: nuttySweeet on October 17, 2018, 11:28:52 AM
Just hit 10k miles on the stock Metz and have put a pair of Road 5 Trails on… My god what a difference! I had no idea just how bad the Metz were, it’s like riding a new bike. They feel exactly like the Power RS’ I had on my Street Triple which is insane. The bike feels like it’s begging to be thrown into a corner now and the grip/feel is amazing when you do.

Also had no idea just how bad the noise was until it’s gone. It sounded like normal road noise before, now it’s completely silent! I can’t attest to their longevity, but they’re supposed to last longer than Pilot Road 4’s so it should be pretty good.

If you were on the fence, just get them, you won’t regret it.  :152:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: TotnesSteve on October 17, 2018, 06:46:22 PM
Great to hear that. I will get them when my PR4Trails wear out.

Did you have any trouble finding them?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Rowey68 on October 17, 2018, 08:54:32 PM
What size tyres are they? I thought that the pr5s weren’t currently available for the tiger 1200?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on October 17, 2018, 09:11:45 PM
*Originally Posted by Rowey68 [+]
What size tyres are they? I thought that the pr5s weren’t currently available for the tiger 1200?

They came out a while ago in the US, not sure about where you are...that being said, I ordered a set of Roadtec 01s for my TEX as the Road 5s in the size we need are way too much..($420.00 US) I have run the Road 5s on my Versys 1000 and they are good tires, but they didn't last half as long as I expected, so will not be running them again any time soon...
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: nuttySweeet on October 17, 2018, 10:01:51 PM
They came out in August in the UK. I got them for from a local place, Motorcycle Tyres UK, they're a Michelin reseller so they always have the latest stuff available. I was one of the first in the country to get a set of the new Power RS tyres. They've had the Road 5 Trails since their release but they've not updated their website for some reason.

Front is 120/70 19, Rear is 170/60 17.

If you buy a set from a Michelin reseller at the moment, you'll get £30 cash back. Got the same deal with my Power RS', takes about a fortnight for the money to come through once you claim.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on October 18, 2018, 04:17:58 PM
So far, only the rear tires are available here in CA. The Trail versions are not listed on my favourite CA e-tail site.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: mjab on October 18, 2018, 08:02:30 PM
My tyre man fitted a rear in March. Still has its profile and legal (just) after nearly 6k miles.
He had the front but the PR4 is still on there from last year and like the rear has not squared or worn out yet.


I must have been riding on the edges a few times this year
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on October 19, 2018, 12:10:07 AM
*Originally Posted by mjab [+]
My tyre man fitted a rear in March. Still has its profile and legal (just) after nearly 6k miles.
He had the front but the PR4 is still on there from last year and like the rear has not squared or worn out yet.


I must have been riding on the edges a few times this year

It handles Ok with the 4 on the front and a 5 on the rear? ..any weirdness or anything?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: mjab on October 19, 2018, 07:29:35 PM
*Originally Posted by Crosshairs [+]
It handles Ok with the 4 on the front and a 5 on the rear? ..any weirdness or anything?

Riding on rails. Perfect combination
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on October 19, 2018, 09:46:22 PM
*Originally Posted by mjab [+]
Riding on rails. Perfect combination

Good info, thanks so much... :031:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Hawkeye on October 21, 2018, 10:38:45 AM
I have the PR4 Trails on mine - love them. However, I seem to recall reading on here (somewhere) that rather than fit a PR4 Trail on the rear next time, that the PR4 GT is preferable, gives same levels of grip etc, but has better longevity and doesn't square off so quickly either.

Next time will be fitting PR5's for sure, but I'm interested in opinions on whether to fit a PR5 Trail on the back or a PR5 GT (assuming Michelin do both of these in the PR5 range)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on October 21, 2018, 04:32:25 PM
*Originally Posted by Hawkeye [+]
I have the PR4 Trails on mine - love them. However, I seem to recall reading on here (somewhere) that rather than fit a PR4 Trail on the rear next time, that the PR4 GT is preferable, gives same levels of grip etc, but has better longevity and doesn't square off so quickly either.

Next time will be fitting PR5's for sure, but I'm interested in opinions on whether to fit a PR5 Trail on the back or a PR5 GT (assuming Michelin do both of these in the PR5 range)
Michelin NA have specifically told me that the current Road 5 is only designed for middleweight bikes and to wait for the Road 5 variant that will be available in 2019 for heavier bikes. In the meantime, they advised continuing to use the PR4.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Will Morgan on October 21, 2018, 10:45:47 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Michelin NA have specifically told me that the current Road 5 is only designed for middleweight bikes and to wait for the Road 5 variant that will be available in 2019 for heavier bikes. In the meantime, they advised continuing to use the PR4.

I got the same info here in UK recently so had to have a new PR4 on the rear.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Hawkeye on October 21, 2018, 11:23:00 PM
PR4 again on the rear it is then. Thanks chaps.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: FredJ9 on October 22, 2018, 06:03:34 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Michelin NA have specifically told me that the current Road 5 is only designed for middleweight bikes and to wait for the Road 5 variant that will be available in 2019 for heavier bikes. In the meantime, they advised continuing to use the PR4.

Did they happen to say when in 2019?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on October 23, 2018, 03:15:34 AM
*Originally Posted by FredJ9 [+]
Did they happen to say when in 2019?
This is all that I got:

The Pilot Road 4 Trail and GT will continue to be available until 2019, when the PR5 variants are made available.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: nuttySweeet on October 23, 2018, 11:40:06 AM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Michelin NA have specifically told me that the current Road 5 is only designed for middleweight bikes and to wait for the Road 5 variant that will be available in 2019 for heavier bikes. In the meantime, they advised continuing to use the PR4.

I remember you mentioning that in a previous thread but thought I would put them on anyway. They are designed for big Trail bikes, however I suspect their longevity suffers if the bike is two up and fully loaded, hence why they don't recommend them. My other half has her own bike now so I'm hoping it won't be an issue, time will tell.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Mark Carter on October 23, 2018, 05:29:05 PM
Interesting.  When I had my rear changed this summer, I was told that the PR4 was no longer available for my rim size (Gen 1) so they fitted a PR5.  It says on the tyre wall it is the 'trail' variant.  Attached photo's show the text and the tyre size.

(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/20181023_171850.jpg)
(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/20181023_171916.jpg)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: mjab on October 23, 2018, 08:13:04 PM
*Originally Posted by Mark Carter [+]
Interesting.  When I had my rear changed this summer, I was told that the PR4 was no longer available for my rim size (Gen 1) so they fitted a PR5.  It says on the tyre wall it is the 'trail' variant.  Attached photo's show the text and the tyre size.


I was told the same in April. The road version was not available in the size for the Gen 1 wheel, as the PR4 wasn't. The trail is for that size
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Anthony1664 on October 23, 2018, 10:02:11 PM
I always managed a regular RP4 for the rear on. Gen1 but a trail on the front
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on October 24, 2018, 03:34:45 AM
*Originally Posted by Anthony1664 [+]
I always managed a regular RP4 for the rear on. Gen1 but a trail on the front
Right now I can order the PR4 GT rear for my Gen1 but the front Trail is out of stock.  :003:

Here is more of what Micheline N/A told me back in May:

The current versions of the Pilot Road 5 are still not recommended for use on heavier GT bikes. Until the PR5's GT variant is released, we would recommend using the Pilot Road 4 GT for your bike.

We understand your concern for this. Currently, both the Trail and GT versions of the Pilot Road 5 will be released in 2019. Because it is not out yet, we are not able to make a direct comparison between the PR5 and its Trail variant.

The Pilot Road 4 Trail and GT will continue to be available until 2019, when the PR5 variants are made available.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: KenW on October 24, 2018, 03:53:04 AM
I just dropped in to my tyre man to see about new tyres.
He didn't recommend PR5's because he's had some complaints about premature tyre wear with them.
PR5 GT isn't yet here.
PR4's are no longer available.
I paid for some Pirelli Trail 2's, which he said were a good tyre.  -I know nothing about tyres, I take his advice.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Griff on October 24, 2018, 08:09:48 PM
I have 5's on mine and so far they are excellent. I only have a couple of thousand Kms on them as yet so longevity remains to be seen. I believe they steer a little quicker than 4's but the leaned over grip wet or dry is very good.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Mark Carter on October 24, 2018, 09:13:16 PM
Having chamfered the toes of my boots round the Picos hairpins on that PR5 Trail I have to agree with Griff.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: mjab on November 03, 2018, 04:11:57 PM
New PR5's trails now fitted front and rear.

(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/20181103_131829.jpg)
(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/20181103_131959.jpg)
(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/45166330_1968279876599352_5318780666349879296_n.jpg)
(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/45403670_1968279749932698_2709769728326369280_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on November 17, 2018, 06:28:05 PM
Despite earlier assurances from Michelin about the continued availability of PR4s until the PR5 Trails ship, now the only front tire that is available here in CA for my Gen1 TEX appears to be an Anakee 3. There is nothing else listed in the 110/80 19 sizes.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: FL_Explorer on November 17, 2018, 08:34:30 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Despite earlier assurances from Michelin about the continued availability of PR4s until the PR5 Trails ship, now the only front tire that is available here in CA for my Gen1 TEX appears to be an Anakee 3. There is nothing else listed in the 110/80 19 sizes.
You can’t get anything else?  Isn’t eBay or Amazon any help to you in CA?  I have been running the Pirelli Trail 2s on mine and they’re a fine tire. I’d be willing to try the PR5 but they don’t look to have much tread in the pics. I’m sure that’s merely an optical dillusion though.

I might even go back to the Mitas E07 for a cycle even though I don’t take the TEx in the dirt anymore. They were good tires on the pavement too plus they looked good!
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on November 17, 2018, 09:41:02 PM
I can get other brands, but in Michelin tires right now, all I can get is Anakee 3's on the front from my usual supplier here in CA. I was hoping for another set of PR4's for next spring.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on November 17, 2018, 10:55:13 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
I can get other brands, but in Michelin tires right now, all I can get is Anakee 3's on the front from my usual supplier here in CA. I was hoping for another set of PR4's for next spring.

I bought my front Road 5  from the UK..and even with  shipping it was cheaper than my US supplier who has them on backorder.... ..figure that one out.....oh, and it arrived in 5 days....not too shabby...

check them out,.... they may have the tires  you need....

https://www.thevisorshop.com/en/us/Tyres/c-205.aspx
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Bikerbuk on November 19, 2018, 07:42:23 PM
Just had a R5 fitted to the front as PR4 is no longer available.    So bike has New Road 5 front and PR4 trail partworn on rear.   Handles superbly but only 400 miles on front so far.    Will be sellng the bike early next year so didn't want to put a pair on.   

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: pcarnut on November 22, 2018, 06:04:43 AM
*Originally Posted by Crosshairs [+]
I bought my front Road 5  from the UK..and even with  shipping it was cheaper than my US supplier who has them on backorder.... ..figure that one out.....oh, and it arrived in 5 days....not too shabby...

check them out,.... they may have the tires  you need....

https://www.thevisorshop.com/en/us/Tyres/c-205.aspx
  These guys seems to have some good prices, thanks, good source!
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Pailton on November 27, 2018, 04:29:11 AM
*Originally Posted by Hawkeye [+]
I have the PR4 Trails on mine - love them. However, I seem to recall reading on here (somewhere) that rather than fit a PR4 Trail on the rear next time, that the PR4 GT is preferable, gives same levels of grip etc, but has better longevity and doesn't square off so quickly either.

Next time will be fitting PR5's for sure, but I'm interested in opinions on whether to fit a PR5 Trail on the back or a PR5 GT (assuming Michelin do both of these in the PR5 range)

Hi Hawkeye

 I have done about 6500 miles with PR4 Trail on the front and a PR4 GT on the rear. I have to say I'm really impressed, certainly loads of grip wet or dry and the rear has only just started squaring off  (compared to the Metzelers stock tyres, that was quite badly squared off at 3500 miles and the front was on the wear indicators at 6000). I reckon I should get another 3-4000 out the rear and quite a bit more out the front.  :028:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Icy on November 27, 2018, 01:50:23 PM
*Originally Posted by nuttySweeet [+]
Just hit 10k miles on the stock Metz and have put a pair of Road 5 Trails on… My god what a difference! I had no idea just how bad the Metz were, it’s like riding a new bike. They feel exactly like the Power RS’ I had on my Street Triple which is insane. The bike feels like it’s begging to be thrown into a corner now and the grip/feel is amazing when you do.

Yeap, I despise the Metz as well. Good choice on the new set  :028:  :821: Enjoy many more happy and healthy miles on those.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on November 28, 2018, 04:41:51 PM
I am currently getting frustrated with Michelin. The supply of PR4 Trails seems to have dried up and vendors are reporting that they are delisted. I'm on my third round of inquiries with Michelin customer support, who refuse to confirm that PR4s are discontinued, or when Road 5 Trails will be available here. The official statement right now is that Anakee (Wild, 3) is my only choice.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Icy on November 28, 2018, 05:24:27 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
I am currently getting frustrated with Michelin. The supply of PR4 Trails seems to have dried up and vendors are reporting that they are delisted. I'm on my third round of inquiries with Michelin customer support, who refuse to confirm that PR4s are discontinued, or when Road 5 Trails will be available here. The official statement right now is that Anakee (Wild, 3) is my only choice.

Germans...
I had my eye on that Anakee Wild 3 tyre since it came out. My dealer promises that I will love it - they know me. But I have no friends who used it and can give a good rating on pavement / wet / cornering traction feedback.  :038:  :002:  :821:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: FL_Explorer on November 29, 2018, 04:40:07 AM
I’m telling you guys, if you want to try a semi-knobby tire with very good road manners in wet or dry conditions and a good tread life, you have to try out the Mitas E07. I ran mine for about 8k miles and was very impressed. Even though I’ve promised myself to keep the TEx on pavement, I’d still spoon on a pair if I needed tires today. I’m quite happy with the Pirellis but I’d swap back to Mitas without skipping a beat.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Icy on November 29, 2018, 11:42:13 AM
*Originally Posted by FL_Explorer [+]
I’m telling you guys, if you want to try a semi-knobby tire with very good road manners in wet or dry conditions and a good tread life, you have to try out the Mitas E07. I ran mine for about 8k miles and was very impressed. Even though I’ve promised myself to keep the TEx on pavement, I’d still spoon on a pair if I needed tires today. I’m quite happy with the Pirellis but I’d swap back to Mitas without skipping a beat.

 :0461: Dakar Edition is the way to go :-)  :821:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on November 30, 2018, 04:57:52 PM
After e-mailing Michelin N/A three times and getting vague responses, I found a voicemail from Michelin in SC. A pleasant and apologetic southern gentlemen went on at length about how Michelin N/A have no advance knowledge about new products or sizing from the corporate HQ and cannot speculate about new tire models or whether they would be available in sizes that would fit my TEX (he is talking about the Road 5). This, after three different customer service agents, gave me a variety of responses ranging from 'use Anakees" to "We can only recommend tires sizes, that came originally on your vehicle" (???).

Then, I talked to a local motorcycle shop owner who confirmed that PR4s are gone. And then he provided me with a quote (special order) for a full set of Road 5 tires for my Gen 1 TEX. He claims that are available in Canada and that he can order them now. But AFAIK, these are the lighter carcass tires that I was told earlier this year are not suitable for heavier bikes.

In addition, the Canadian online retailer I spoke with has delisted all but the Anakee tires in my sizes and I have not heard back from them on the availability of Road 5 front tires in Trail sizes (they have the rears in stock).

In my opinion, Michelin have done a tremendous job of screwing up the launch of the replacement for a very popular line of tires. It seems like they are absolutely determined to confuse and obfuscate and drive their customers to buy tires from another company. It is just weird.

So, to sum up, I guess that I could order the current Road 5 offerings (at a price premium) while not being certain that the tires that I would receive are actually suitable for the weight of my TEX and having no idea about how they will wear. I really wanted PR4s but apparently, that ship has sailed. Too bad. I had finally found tires that I liked. I think that I will just wait now and see what spring brings.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on November 30, 2018, 05:52:35 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
After e-mailing Michelin N/A three times and getting vague responses, I found a voicemail from Michelin in SC. A pleasant and apologetic southern gentlemen went on at length about how Michelin N/A have no advance knowledge about new products or sizing from the corporate HQ and cannot speculate about new tire models or whether they would be available in sizes that would fit my TEX (he is talking about the Road 5). This, after three different customer service agents, gave me a variety of responses ranging from 'use Anakees" to "We can only recommend tires sizes, that came originally on your vehicle" (???).

Then, I talked to a local motorcycle shop owner who confirmed that PR4s are gone. And then he provided me with a quote (special order) for a full set of Road 5 tires for my Gen 1 TEX. He claims that are available in Canada and that he can order them now. But AFAIK, these are the lighter carcass tires that I was told earlier this year are not suitable for heavier bikes.

In addition, the Canadian online retailer I spoke with has delisted all but the Anakee tires in my sizes and I have not heard back from them on the availability of Road 5 front tires in Trail sizes (they have the rears in stock).

In my opinion, Michelin have done a tremendous job of screwing up the launch of the replacement for a very popular line of tires. It seems like they are absolutely determined to confuse and obfuscate and drive their customers to buy tires from another company. It is just weird.

So, to sum up, I guess that I could order the current Road 5 offerings (at a price premium) while not being certain that the tires that I would receive are actually suitable for the weight of my TEX and having no idea about how they will wear. I really wanted PR4s but apparently, that ship has sailed. Too bad. I had finally found tires that I liked. I think that I will just wait now and see what spring brings.

Just grab a set of Metzler Roadtec 01s.....you wont be disappointed..they are readily available, just as good if not better and a good bit cheaper than the Michelin's
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on December 01, 2018, 05:16:04 PM
*Originally Posted by Crosshairs [+]
Just grab a set of Metzler Roadtec 01s.....you wont be disappointed..they are readily available, just as good if not better and a good bit cheaper than the Michelin's
Both front and rear out of stock.  :006:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: vsteel on December 01, 2018, 08:35:56 PM
Tired of dealing with Michelin is why I am going to try a set of Continental Road Attack 3 tires. 

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Chaz on December 10, 2018, 06:26:43 PM
Just got a set of 5 trails, £217 The visor shop. Great deal.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: rockitcity on January 10, 2019, 05:21:56 PM
Just put a new set of Road 5 Trail's on my Explorer, replacing a set of PR4's that lasted a bit over 16,000 miles before getting to the wear bars.  Just a commute ride today, but the turn in feel is great (as probably any new tire would be compared to the worn out ones).  Have some rain coming to southern California this weekend, and while I don't seek to try them in the wet, if I get caught up in it, will report on their grip. Nice to have new rubber, guess I'll have to keep the bike a while longer :002:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on February 01, 2019, 07:33:48 PM
*Originally Posted by rockitcity [+]
Just put a new set of Road 5 Trail's on my Explorer, replacing a set of PR4's that lasted a bit over 16,000 miles before getting to the wear bars.  Just a commute ride today, but the turn in feel is great (as probably any new tire would be compared to the worn out ones).  Have some rain coming to southern California this weekend, and while I don't seek to try them in the wet, if I get caught up in it, will report on their grip. Nice to have new rubber, guess I'll have to keep the bike a while longer :002:
I just visited the Michelin website and used their tire configuration tool to check what they are recommending for the TEX. The tool now shows Road 5 tires as an option for the TEX. I'm not sure what has changed, but it appears that Michelin is now endorsing them, where they were not last fall.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on February 01, 2019, 08:04:46 PM
*Originally Posted by rockitcity [+]
Just put a new set of Road 5 Trail's on my Explorer, replacing a set of PR4's that lasted a bit over 16,000 miles before getting to the wear bars.  Just a commute ride today, but the turn in feel is great (as probably any new tire would be compared to the worn out ones).  Have some rain coming to southern California this weekend, and while I don't seek to try them in the wet, if I get caught up in it, will report on their grip. Nice to have new rubber, guess I'll have to keep the bike a while longer :002:

you wont find a better tire for wet weather performance, but  they are not very long lasting when pushed hard ....I burned through a set in 2800 miles on my Versys 1000 on  a trip up and down the Blue Ridge along with some other twisty roads in the area ,  so I dont see me buying them again.

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: rockitcity on February 01, 2019, 10:58:35 PM
Wow, 2800 miles??? I can't even believe how you would burn through them that fast!  I've run about 4 sets of Michelin PR's on various bikes over the last ten years, and all have lasted in the 15,000 mile range.  My riding is mostly commuting, about 7500 miles per year on LA freeways.  Some longer rides through the hills, but not a lot of touring.  The road surfaces must be a lot harsher on tires out east, or you are a much more aggressive rider than I (quite easily possible.)  I have about 500 miles on my new set now, and they feel great and show no signs of wear except for the molding nibs.  I expect as long a life as my previous sets, or as long as I plan to keep my current bike!
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: NiK on February 04, 2019, 04:00:36 PM
*Originally Posted by rockitcity [+]
I've run about 4 sets of Michelin PR's on various bikes over the last ten years, and all have lasted in the 15,000 mile range.
My experience exactly (except I think I got 6 to 7 PRs overall).
Can't wait for the stock ugly Tourance to wear off!
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on February 04, 2019, 05:12:03 PM
not counting the last set of PR5s which went away on a single 3000 mile trip,  I got about 15K out of my last 3 sets combined.....there is a reason I bought a tire machine for my garage... :001:.

5000-5500 miles is about normal for me no matter what tire I buy
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: mjab on February 04, 2019, 07:51:16 PM
*Originally Posted by Crosshairs [+]
5000-5500 miles is about normal for me no matter what tire I buy

About that for me as well though they have definately lost their profile by that mileage
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on February 04, 2019, 08:18:28 PM
If I don't get at least 10,000 miles on a set of tires, I am disappointed. My current PR4's have 8,000 miles on them now and look to be good for another 2 - 3,000.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on February 04, 2019, 08:44:55 PM
*Originally Posted by mjab [+]
About that for me as well though they have definately lost their profile by that mileage

Yeah, 5 to 6 seems to be about the norm with my riding group....all different riders on all different bikes with all different tires no less....and luckily we almost always wear them evenly as we have no shortage of twisty roads around here

I think I could probably push it out to 7 but Im not one for trying to squeeze every mile out of a tire...for me its far more important to not slide off the road in a corner.... :001:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Dilbert on February 05, 2019, 01:18:06 PM
Always used to get 6,000 rear, 12,000 front, these days it's more like 8-9,000 rear 12,000 front, though if I can get both to 9,000+ I change both together.

Except Dunlops on the old Versys and Pirelli Angels on the 1050 Sport 4-5,000 on the rear max, with the Angels going from Ok, to showing the carcass within 4-500 miles  :155:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Regi T on February 06, 2019, 10:34:26 AM
*Originally Posted by Dilbert [+]
with the Angels going from Ok, to showing the carcass within 4-500 miles  :155:
A tyre per day, wow!!  Man you must be hard on that throttle.... :008:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Dilbert on February 06, 2019, 01:22:38 PM
*Originally Posted by Regi T [+]
A tyre per day, wow!!  Man you must be hard on that throttle.... :008:

G'day
Not quite, a week's commute, plus a Saturday ride, went from 4,200 (ish) miles and still showing some tread, to where the feck has all the rubber gone in less than 500 miles, apparently "they all do that" Tiger 1050 Sport, not as hard on tyres as an Explorer  :016:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: NiK on February 07, 2019, 08:50:12 AM
*Originally Posted by Dilbert [+]
Tiger 1050 Sport, not as hard on tyres as an Explorer  :016:
Heavy, torquey, flickable bike = lots of burnt rubber
Still, if you use it like I do (i.e. almost strictly legal speeds and very defensive stance), a good pair of PRs lasts more or less as long as on my ex-ex-ex-Tiger 1050 ;-)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Gareth38 on February 08, 2019, 03:00:49 PM
I live in France so just went on Michelin's french website and put in Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT into the search engine.
Came back recommending Road5' trails but when I followed the link to all available sizes - no 170/60 R17 available.
So I used their "ask an expert" chat function and got this reply below. But I cant find the tyres on their site. I believe that the tyres are available but that there is a bug in their web page - could this be why some of you are getting your dealers saying that they are not available?  At best I'm only semi web literate - but a good web site should work for all;  numpties and experts alike - Michelin you need to up your game!

 Effectivement pour votre Triumph tiger 1200 XRT, vous avez disponible la gamme Road 5 Trail. (yes for your triumph the road 5 trail range is available - here the references)

Voici les références :

15:33

120/70 ZR 19 M/C 60W ROAD 5 Trail F TL
170/60 ZR 17 M/C 72W ROAD 5 Trail R TL
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on February 08, 2019, 05:17:10 PM
*Originally Posted by Gareth38 [+]
So I used their "ask an expert" chat function and got this reply below. But I cant find the tyres on their site. I believe that the tyres are available but that there is a bug in their web page - could this be why some of you are getting your dealers saying that they are not available?  At best I'm only semi web literate - but a good web site should work for all;  numpties and experts alike - Michelin you need to up your game!
I had a similar experience this week chatting with a Michelin rep in N. America. At first, she could not even find a listing for a Gen1 Tiger Explorer. It took her about 10 minutes of searching manually. She told me that she really disliked Michelin's "new" website and found it difficult to use. So it seems even the staff are having issues with it.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: XCaTel on February 09, 2019, 08:43:47 AM
The sizes for the Gen 3 (as listed by Gareth38) not available here yet either. These are the available Road 5's with just two sizes of the trail version available. The same dealer has stock of both front and rear Road 4 Trails in Gen 3 sizes.

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: sprintexplorer on February 09, 2019, 01:42:31 PM
After 18000km on my pilot road 4 tires, my explorer has new shows. A brandnew road 5 170/60.
Rode it back home in very heavy rainfall and gusty winds.
Quite impressed how good the tire felt.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on February 09, 2019, 04:46:00 PM
*Originally Posted by XCaTel [+]
The sizes for the Gen 3 (as listed by Gareth38) not available here yet either. These are the available Road 5's with just two sizes of the trail version available. The same dealer has stock of both front and rear Road 4 Trails in Gen 3 sizes.
Michelin has really botched the rollout of the Road 5. The Road 5 offerings are confusing, incomplete and inconsistent across their various markets. No wonder retailers and customers are confused.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Dilbert on February 11, 2019, 01:09:28 PM
Available in the UK, one of several interweb suppliers :
https://www.thevisorshop.com/en/gb/Michelin-Road-5-Trail-Motorcycle-Tyres/m-22032.aspx?PartnerID=21&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=UnitedKingdom&gclid=Cj0KCQiA14TjBRD_ARIsAOCmO9Y73-zGiT8TUWqCgIRC3a8mcPpYwTheA2MXldWByN8MH2m2KSf2XOMaAryNEALw_wcB

Best get some in now before the end of March  :084:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on February 12, 2019, 01:27:08 PM
Yup....Visorshop is an excellent source and ships to the US quickly....plus my last purchase from them was cheaper than a US based supplier.....figure that one out....
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on February 12, 2019, 05:47:58 PM
*Originally Posted by Crosshairs [+]
Yup....Visorshop is an excellent source and ships to the US quickly....plus my last purchase from them was cheaper than a US based supplier.....figure that one out....
Unfortunately, not for me in Canada. By the time I factor current exchange rates plus import duties and taxes, it would be about $100 more than buying premium tires here.  :003:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on February 12, 2019, 08:38:47 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Unfortunately, not for me in Canada. By the time I factor current exchange rates plus import duties and taxes, it would be about $100 more than buying premium tires here.  :003:

That's a bummer...it falls below the dollar amount that they care about  so  no local  tax and no import duty to worry about in the USA ...
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on February 12, 2019, 09:47:16 PM
*Originally Posted by Crosshairs [+]
That's a bummer...it falls below the dollar amount that they care about  so  no local  tax and no import duty to worry about in the USA ...
Our limit is $100.  :003:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: vsteel on February 13, 2019, 04:54:55 AM
Revzilla has them in the USA so they should be showing up north very shortly.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Ray_B on March 01, 2019, 03:45:11 PM
Re: Road 5 tires.
Like Crosshairs, I mounted a full set of PR5s on my Triumph Trophy SE and they were literally fried after 3k miles. The sides looked like the rubber was scraping off even though the center looked nearly new. Seems like the PR5 is best suited for riding in a straight line!
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 01, 2019, 05:54:05 PM
*Originally Posted by Ray_B [+]
Re: Road 5 tires.
Like Crosshairs, I mounted a full set of PR5s on my Triumph Trophy SE and they were literally fried after 3k miles. The sides looked like the rubber was scraping off even though the center looked nearly new. Seems like the PR5 is best suited for riding in a straight line!
Michelin have yet to announce the release the GT version of the Road 5, which is meant for heavier sport touring bikes. They were pitching the initial version of the Road 5 for middleweight bikes. That might account for the short lifespan.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Ray_B on March 01, 2019, 06:43:03 PM
The GT version doesn't change the rubber compound, just stiffer sidewalls I believe.
Crosshairs was on a Versys 1000 which weights 100 lbs less than the Trophy (about the same as the TEX) and he destroyed the PR5s as well. I have run PR3s, PR4s & PR4GTs previously and they wore well. The PR5s are made of pudding! I was a fanboy for Michelin but now I steer clear.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 01, 2019, 07:06:01 PM
*Originally Posted by Ray_B [+]
The GT version doesn't change the rubber compound, just stiffer sidewalls I believe.
Crosshairs was on a Versys 1000 which weights 100 lbs less than the Trophy (about the same as the TEX) and he destroyed the PR5s as well. I have run PR3s, PR4s & PR4GTs previously and they wore well. The PR5s are made of pudding! I was a fanboy for Michelin but now I steer clear.
I was keen to replace my PR4s with Road 5s, but not any longer. There is just too much confusion around this product.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: NiK on March 04, 2019, 11:15:30 AM
Same here.
Hope my usual mech (not Triumph's gang of incompetent ones) will have a pair of leftover PR4s...
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: blueTrex on March 05, 2019, 09:01:45 AM
Well I stated off with 3 sets of Anakee 3's and realized how noisy they were so went to continental trail attack 2's then Pirelli scorpion trail2's then
Michelin Pilot road 4's then Metzler Roadtec 01's and now I just put a new set of the Michelin Road 5's.

SO far my favorite tires were Continental trail attack 2's. ( very sticky and sport oriented) not super long lasting But it is what i expected of such a grippy tire.

my next favorite was the Metzle roadtec 01's similar to the attack 2's. 
At the moment I am enjoying the road 5's but will have to see how many KMS i can get out of them.  Cheers Andrew
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 05, 2019, 10:03:03 PM
I finally settled on a set of Conti Trail Attack 2's to replace my PR4's.  With Attack 3's out, Attack 2's are now available at attractive prices. Will mount them later this spring.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: IronArse on March 07, 2019, 10:13:29 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Michelin have yet to announce the release the GT version of the Road 5, which is meant for heavier sport touring bikes. They were pitching the initial version of the Road 5 for middleweight bikes. That might account for the short lifespan.

Received this response from Michelin Customer Service yesterday;

"Thank you for contacting MICHELIN Consumer Care.

Unfortunately the MICHELIN  Road 5 GT are yet to be released, they will be available to purchase early next year. But we do have available the MICHELIN Pilot Road 4 GT."

My mechanic has Pilot 5s on his Tiger 800. He swears they are excellent tires, but not designed for heat, and that in summer (particularly if you head to the continent, Spain, Portugal, etc) the rubber just runs off them.

I'll be waiting for the GTs to come out next year before I give them a sniff I think.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 08, 2019, 12:36:09 AM
*Originally Posted by IronArse [+]
Received this response from Michelin Customer Service yesterday;

"Thank you for contacting MICHELIN Consumer Care.

Unfortunately the MICHELIN  Road 5 GT are yet to be released, they will be available to purchase early next year. But we do have available the MICHELIN Pilot Road 4 GT."

My mechanic has Pilot 5s on his Tiger 800. He swears they are excellent tires, but not designed for heat, and that in summer (particularly if you head to the continent, Spain, Portugal, etc) the rubber just runs off them.

I'll be waiting for the GTs to come out next year before I give them a sniff I think.
In my area, the PR4 GTs are available, but the Trail fronts are not.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: maccers on March 26, 2019, 04:22:10 PM
Agreed ive just got a set and the Michelins are great. and theres no comparison for sure
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on March 26, 2019, 09:34:52 PM
*Originally Posted by IronArse [+]

My mechanic has Pilot 5s on his Tiger 800. He swears they are excellent tires, but not designed for heat, and that in summer (particularly if you head to the continent, Spain, Portugal, etc) the rubber just runs off them.

your mechanic is correct....this tire has 2800 miles on it...granted, I ride hard and I push the bike to the limit but still...2800 miles is crazy...and this is on a Versys 1000....which weighs less than our bikes

(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/rear1.jpg)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 26, 2019, 09:50:58 PM
Michelin repeated told me that the current Road 5's were meant for middle weight motorcycles like the SV650. They now say that the heavier GT version of the Road 5 will not be out before next year.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on March 26, 2019, 11:20:20 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Michelin repeated told me that the current Road 5's were meant for middle weight motorcycles like the SV650.

Yet on their own website they say they are perfectly fine for the Versys 1000 that I had them installed in....  even today, they still recommend them for that bike.

Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 27, 2019, 01:59:02 AM
*Originally Posted by Crosshairs [+]
Yet on their own website they say they are perfectly fine for the Versys 1000 that I had them installed in....  even today, they still recommend them for that bike.
I know. As of last November, Michelin NA was telling me that they had no Road 5 fitment for the TEX and to wait for the GT version in 2019. Suddenly this spring, they recommend the same tires for the TEX. Maybe it has something to do with the GT version being delayed...
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on March 27, 2019, 10:53:45 AM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
I know. As of last November, Michelin NA was telling me that they had no Road 5 fitment for the TEX and to wait for the GT version in 2019. Suddenly this spring, they recommend the same tires for the TEX. Maybe it has something to do with the GT version being delayed...

I bet it does have to do with the GT being delayed and rather than admit this tire is not for a heavy bike , they recommend it so as not to miss the sales....
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 27, 2019, 04:56:37 PM
*Originally Posted by Crosshairs [+]
I bet it does have to do with the GT being delayed and rather than admit this tire is not for a heavy bike , they recommend it so as not to miss the sales....
Here is what Michelin originally said on the website.

Relative to what used to be posted on the Michelin website:

2005 R1200RT wet weight = 274 kg
2013 Tiger Explorer wet weight = 259 kg
SV650 wet weight = 197 kg

As of today, Michelin is still recommending PR4 fitment for the R1200RT (not the Road 5). The weigh of the TEX is a lot closer to the weight of the RT than it is to the SV650. Add to that the fact that my TEX is currently wearing a PR4 GT rear tire because my tire guy recommended it over the Trail rear tire because he said the Trail tire wore badly on heavy ADV bikes.

My PR4 GT rear tire currently has 10,500 miles on it and still has 3mm of tread left.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: vsteel on March 28, 2019, 02:18:53 AM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
my TEX is currently wearing a PR4 GT rear tire because my tire guy recommended it over the Trail rear tire because he said the Trail tire wore badly on heavy ADV bikes.

Keep in mind that the trail version of the PR4 had a softer rubber compound because the engineers thought it would be a better choice.   The PR5 trail is supposed to be the same rubber compound as the other versions of the tire.   

I tried a PR4 trail on my Gen1 and I didn't like how fast it wore.  Michelin really disappointed me, though I loved their tires on my Speed Triple and the PR3s I had before that were good.

I am getting close to needing a tire and I am going to give the Continental Road Attack 3s a try and see how they do.  I will let the dust (marketing)  settle on the PR5 before I consider them.   
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 28, 2019, 04:30:16 PM
In my contacts with Michelin last fall, they repeatedly suggested that I use one of their ADV specific tires. Their marketing of the Road 5 suggests that that is their position going forward. Unlike the PR4, the Road 5 Trail is not prominent in their marketing material.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Will Morgan on March 28, 2019, 10:51:49 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
In my contacts with Michelin last fall, they repeatedly suggested that I use one of their ADV specific tires. Their marketing of the Road 5 suggests that that is their position going forward. Unlike the PR4, the Road 5 Trail is not prominent in their marketing material.

I think the new BMW 1250GS has Michelin Anakees as OEM ? Maybe Michelin misguidedly think anyone with any other ADV bike will automatically want to follow that "market leader"?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: vsteel on March 29, 2019, 01:11:20 AM
What I don't get is they say the GT is for heavier bikes but they all have the same weight rating.   If it was really for heavier bikes it should have a different weight rating based on duty cycle testing.

I think there is more sales and marketing voodoo going on than engineering.  But that is just my uneducated opinion.
 
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: NiK on March 29, 2019, 09:25:14 AM
*Originally Posted by vsteel [+]
I think there is more sales and marketing voodoo going on than engineering.  But that is just my uneducated opinion.
You're such a leftist conspiracy theorist!
Engineering doesn't count. Only Marketing is truth.

Here is a picture of the One and Only God thou shalt worship: https://www.mycar.mu/articles_images/mycar_a11p01_bibendum-aujourd-hui.jpg

(c8
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 29, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
*Originally Posted by vsteel [+]
What I don't get is they say the GT is for heavier bikes but they all have the same weight rating.   If it was really for heavier bikes it should have a different weight rating based on duty cycle testing.

I think there is more sales and marketing voodoo going on than engineering.  But that is just my uneducated opinion.
Well, one thing we know for sure, is that Michelin has delayed the introduction of the GT version to next year. I initially thought that it was really odd that they were not ready to go with all of the whole Road 5 line of tires when they started shipping Road 5's a year ago.

Now, with the delay of the GT and the reports of premature wear on the standard Road 5, I would hazard a guess that Michelin knows that they have issues with the rubber compounds that they have chosen for the Road 5 and now trying to re-engineer them on the fly. They may have been testing the GT on heavier bikes and found the same premature wear issues that a couple of users are reporting here.

If I had a pair of these on my TEX now, and experiencing that kind of wear, I would be sending pictures to Michelin and looking for a refund or replacement.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Yellow Jacket on March 29, 2019, 05:20:05 PM
I got 8,ooo miles out of my road5s. Are riders getting as much out of their road trails?
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 29, 2019, 09:52:24 PM
*Originally Posted by Yellow Jacket [+]
I got 8,ooo miles out of my road5s. Are riders getting as much out of their road trails?
Some are saying 2500 to 3500 miles.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Crosshairs on March 29, 2019, 10:08:37 PM
*Originally Posted by Yellow Jacket [+]
I got 8,ooo miles out of my road5s. Are riders getting as much out of their road trails?

I got about 2800 out of a set of road 5s..to be fair, they were very hard miles.... ... then again,  I've never ever gotten more than 6K out of any tire.....

IIRC my buddy got about 3500 out of a set....may have been a bit more or a bit less..either way, I probably wont be buying them again
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: vsteel on March 30, 2019, 05:05:26 AM
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
Here is a picture of the One and Only God thou shalt worship: https://www.mycar.mu/articles_images/mycar_a11p01_bibendum-aujourd-hui.jpg

LOL!!!  Don't tell Icy, he is working on extra marinara for his spaghetti deity.   :008:

*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
You're such a leftist conspiracy theorist!
Engineering doesn't count. Only Marketing is truth.

I think I am just jaded because I work in engineering and have seen too many marketing/sales people mess things up.  :138:

Apologies to all sales/marketing people here.   :431:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Aztec on March 30, 2019, 11:13:20 AM
Just about ready to change my road 5 trail on the rear, its done 7000 miles, it handles well, grips well etc, however when touring 2 up and all the luggage full i found the sidewall did get a bit squishy and the handling went out of the window, which didn't fill me with confidence on single track gravel covered roads and the only solution was to pump it up to nearly 50 psi, so i was looking at the GT which they dont make in my size....... Well back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on March 30, 2019, 03:59:19 PM
*Originally Posted by Aztec [+]
Just about ready to change my road 5 trail on the rear, its done 7000 miles, it handles well, grips well etc, however when touring 2 up and all the luggage full i found the sidewall did get a bit squishy and the handling went out of the window, which didn't fill me with confidence on single track gravel covered roads and the only solution was to pump it up to nearly 50 psi, so i was looking at the GT which they dont make in my size....... Well back to the drawing board.
I think one other poster mixed a Road 5 Trail front with a PR4 GT rear with good results. They are still available (I think).
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Cmpharkin on July 22, 2019, 01:10:48 AM
I have 2500 miles on the road 5 trails and they aren't holding up very well, don't get me wrong they have great grip in dry and wet, they just aren't lasting as long as I thought
(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/20190721_231646.jpg)
(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/20190721_231730.jpg)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on July 22, 2019, 04:02:15 PM
I just replaced my PR4s. They were down to 2mm of tread but not down to the wear bars. I got about 12k miles out of them. I did not replace them with Road 5s because of their cost and fears about poor tread life.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Simmo on July 22, 2019, 10:06:38 PM
I've just put a new set of PR5 Trails on mine - only done 6 miles so too soon to tell.

I think I ride my bike sort of hard and I'll be lucky to get 6000 miles out of them but looking at the second photo I would hazard a guess that that tyre has been ridden extra hard!  :002:

Simmo
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Cmpharkin on July 23, 2019, 12:36:59 AM
*Originally Posted by Simmo [+]
I've just put a new set of PR5 Trails on mine - only done 6 miles so too soon to tell.

I think I ride my bike sort of hard and I'll be lucky to get 6000 miles out of them but looking at the second photo I would hazard a guess that that tyre has been ridden extra hard!  :002:

Simmo
Not that hard, I don't think, I could probably go harder but in Donegal its all twisty country roads so I do enjoy the 30 miles to work every day,
love the gip on these tyres as you can see from the pics but cant justify paying €131 for the rear and it only last 3000miles,
Not sure what to go for next
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on July 23, 2019, 01:49:51 AM
AFAIK, Michelin has still not released the GT version of the Road 5, which is meant for heavier sport touring bikes. I ran a PR4 GT rear on my bike with a Trail front with good results.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Simmo on July 23, 2019, 09:55:13 AM
Hi Captain

You had me worried there for a moment so I phoned Michelin UK and they confirmed that the PR5's I have fitted are correct for the bike (2016/2017 XRT).

Over here it seems that they are called PR5 'Trail' whereas you refer to them as PR5 'GT' perhaps that is what they are known as on your side of the pond. Cheers

Simmo
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Will Morgan on July 23, 2019, 10:26:17 AM
*Originally Posted by Simmo [+]
Hi Captain

You had me worried there for a moment so I phoned Michelin UK and they confirmed that the PR5's I have fitted are correct for the bike (2016/2017 XRT).

Over here it seems that they are called PR5 'Trail' whereas you refer to them as PR5 'GT' perhaps that is what they are known as on your side of the pond. Cheers

Simmo

No, they are 2 different tyres! Different construction & compounds but with the same tread pattern. Michelin recommend the Trail for our bikes because they won't recommend mixing tyres even if they are so very similar. The size for the front is only available in the Trail range, so they recommend the Trail for the rear too. The GT is more intended for tourers than adventure bikes and has a longer life expectancy than the Trail......a cynic might say that's another reason they recommend the Trail   :164:  However with the previous PR4s some riders successfully "mismatched" Trail front with GT rear and I'm yet to read of any problems whatsoever doing that......but I'm currently using Trail front & rear 'coz the GT wasn't available.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on July 23, 2019, 05:02:29 PM
*Originally Posted by Will Morgan [+]
No, they are 2 different tyres! Different construction & compounds but with the same tread pattern. Michelin recommend the Trail for our bikes because they won't recommend mixing tyres even if they are so very similar. The size for the front is only available in the Trail range, so they recommend the Trail for the rear too. The GT is more intended for tourers than adventure bikes and has a longer life expectancy than the Trail......a cynic might say that's another reason they recommend the Trail   :164:  However with the previous PR4s some riders successfully "mismatched" Trail front with GT rear and I'm yet to read of any problems whatsoever doing that......but I'm currently using Trail front & rear 'coz the GT wasn't available.
My local motorcycle shop recommended the GT version of the PR4 over the Trail version because they had observed "abnormal tire wear" on PR4 rear Trail tires installed on heavy ADV bikes like ours. In my case, the GT wore better than any ADV style tire that I have had on my bike since I bought it 5 years ago. I was very happy with the Trail / GT combo.

The only caveat is that the GT version of the Road 5 has been delayed by Michelin. The last I heard, it was going to be released sometime in 2019.

Michelin told me (and posted on their website late last year) that the Road 5 initial release was intended for middle-weight bikes (eg. SV650).  A pattern seems to be emerging of short tread life with the Road 5 rears getting chewed up prematurely. I am just putting two and two together.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on August 08, 2019, 06:57:57 PM
Found this quotation allegedly from a Michelin tire rep posted March 2019 on an ST1300 forum:

"Thank you for your interest in our tires Jonah. I unfortunately do not show any indication for a future deployment of a GT version of the Pilot Road 5 tire model."

So, it appears now that Michelin have changed their minds and will not be releasing a GT version of the Road 5 tire in 2019. The PR4 GT tires continue to be available, with some size restrictions. But the PR4 Trail front for the earlier TEX models is long gone.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: Yellow Jacket on August 09, 2019, 05:00:36 PM
I've been waiting too long for the GTs to come out. I've ordered pirellis new Angel GT ll to try out at the end of the month. I have high hopes that this tire will get me the extra mileage I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: NiK on August 12, 2019, 08:51:25 AM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Found this quotation allegedly from a Michelin tire rep posted March 2019 on an ST1300 forum:

So, it appears now that Michelin have changed their minds and will not be releasing a GT version of the Road 5 tire in 2019. The PR4 GT tires continue to be available, with some size restrictions. But the PR4 Trail front for the earlier TEX models is long gone.
Not here!
My good ol' mech didn't have any issue in getting and installing a pair of PR4 Trail front and rear.
BTW, what a pleasure to get some silence back from my front end ;-)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on August 12, 2019, 12:53:40 PM
Well, I am now rolling a pair of Conti Trail attack 2s. I miss my quiet PR4s, but Michelin's bizarrely botched rollout of the Road 5 here in Canada has really put me off the brand.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: XCaTel on August 12, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Well, I am now rolling a pair of Conti Trail attack 2s. I miss my quiet PR4s, but Michelin's bizarrely botched rollout of the Road 5 here in Canada has really put me off the brand.
Conti TA2 - Had those on my Africa Twin, great tyre I thought, especially in the wet.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on August 12, 2019, 05:23:57 PM
*Originally Posted by XCaTel [+]
Conti TA2 - Had those on my Africa Twin, great tyre I thought, especially in the wet.
So far, so good. A little noisier and a little stiffer in the carcass than the PR4s but good handling. Will be leaving on Wed. for a week's tour and expecting some rain en route so should have a good idea of how they will go by next week.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: blueTrex on August 17, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
Hi Guys,

Well i tried out the road 5's and they were a great feel, very sticky and sport bike  handling..... HOWEVER!! I got only 8300 Kms  Front and back worn out, Not Miles for all you in here who count in Miles "KILOMETERS"  :013:. I had the tires on the bike for only 4 months. That makes them a very expensive tire to run on my bike.
I got 14,000KMs front & 10,800KMs rear out of a set of Conti Trail Attack 2's once before so am now trying Conti Trail Atack 3's.  Just did a 560Km ride on new Conti's  keeping up with a zx 1400 Kwaker and he pushes hard. tires were great feel and I did ball up the sides a bit but I think they should last ok.

Cheers Andrew
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: KenW on August 17, 2019, 09:19:08 AM
Ermmmm... that's "kilometres", Andrew.  (NiK will agree with me.)

I'm pretty happy with Pirelli Scorpions on my T1200.
https://motorbikewriter.com/pirelli-scorpion-trail-motorcycle-tyre-review/
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: blueTrex on August 18, 2019, 09:49:25 AM
Gee Ken, I didn't think there was going to be a spelling test :007:  :745:
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: NiK on August 19, 2019, 09:28:14 AM
*Originally Posted by KenW [+]
Ermmmm... that's "kilometres", Andrew.  (NiK will agree with me.)
I can only agree to this spelling in French.
I never realized the English was the same {c8
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: KenW on August 19, 2019, 03:47:55 PM
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
I can only agree to this spelling in French.
I never realized the English was the same {c8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre
Australia inherited UK spelling.  It's only the Yanks who have decided to change it from original, as they do with many words and measurements.
And you, NiK, are using the American spelling of "realised", although maybe I'm incorrect in attributing that to the Yanks.
https://grammarist.com/spelling/realise-realize/

And now I'm totally off topic.  Please don't ban me, admin.

(Don't seem to be able to get PR4's in Australia, at least where I've asked.  PR5's, yes.)
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: NiK on August 19, 2019, 04:42:24 PM
Last off topic post (on this thread ;-)
As a non Commonwealth-born, I'm naturally contaminated by Yankee dialects (I know it, but can't really decide between classy Oxford and cool NYC ;-).
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on August 20, 2019, 01:25:34 AM
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
Last off topic post (on this thread ;-)
As a non Commonwealth-born, I'm naturally contaminated by Yankee dialects (I know it, but can't really decide between classy Oxford and cool NYC ;-).
I thought that it was "Klicks" in the US.
Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: vsteel on August 20, 2019, 05:47:07 AM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
I thought that it was "Klicks" in the US.
Only the military says klicks.  In the US we say "kilometers how far is that, covert that to miles and then tell me." 
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Title: Re: Michelin Road 5 Trail's
Post by: CaptainTrips on August 20, 2019, 04:33:41 PM
*Originally Posted by vsteel [+]
Only the military says klicks.  In the US we say "kilometers how far is that, covert that to miles and then tell me." 
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