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Title: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Yamaone on August 25, 2014, 11:54:32 AM
I've been noticing my explorer using oil lately and would like to ask what amount is considered enough to warrent a warrantee claim?
Bike is a 2013, had the head and ECU replaced.
After break in oil at 500 miles I changed the oil at 4,000 miles and planed changing it every 4,000 thereafter.
It's at 6300 miles now. 
Last week I checked the level before a planned ride of 300 miles.
It was slightly below half on sight glass so topped it up to be half between the two marks.  BTW that's checking it on side stand in my level garage.
That was last week, took it out yesterday to post a letter and thought the cam chain sounded a little too loud.  That seemed odd so when I got home I checked the level and it was at the bottom mark. 
Raised the level to top bar and that's 3/4 if a quart in a little over 2,000 miles.
The cam chain now sounds normal again.
Oil light never came on so doubt if there's any damage, plus the oil level was still visable in window.
Other thought, you wouldn't think the cam chain would get noisy if level was within limits but it did.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: T0mahawk on August 25, 2014, 12:14:03 PM
*Originally Posted by Yamaone [+]

Last week I checked the level before a planned ride of 300 miles.
It was slightly below half on sight glass so topped it up to be half between the two marks.  BTW that's checking it on side stand in my level garage.


I hope you meant the centre stand. My Explorer hasn't yet covered enough mileage for me to offer any opinion about the oil consumption. All good so far at 1250 miles.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: nplenzick on August 25, 2014, 12:14:25 PM
Mine just turned 8K. Hasn't burned one drop of oil. I'd say you have a problem and I would suggest contacting your dealer.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Yamaone on August 25, 2014, 01:42:18 PM
*Originally Posted by T0mahawk [+]
I hope you meant the centre stand. My Explorer hasn't yet covered enough mileage for me to offer any opinion about the oil consumption. All good so far at 1250 miles.

Of coarse, good catch.
Was writing post while having my first cup of coffee. :). Not engaged all the brain cells that time of morning.

Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Bikerbuk on August 25, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
Mmmm :084:  Been all round Europe over the summer, ove 3500 km  and not a drop of oil used.   Whilst the guys on the Gs's were checking their oil I was either at the bar or in the pool.    Sounds a bit suspicious  i'd say. 
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Griff on August 25, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
I have had 2 Tex's and neither of them used any oil that I am aware of. I generally change the oil at 4000 miles.  I assume all checking of levels is done with the bike on the centrestand in exactly the same position in your garage, and with the engine at the same temperature each time ?  If so, then the bike has to be using oil based on what you are saying here.

 With regard to the Cam chain I cannot see it being affected by the oil level as long as the oil does not drop below a critical level. I have noticed noises from my tensioner at various temperatures of the engine, even though it has been replaced in conjunction with the new head.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Yamaone on August 25, 2014, 07:30:06 PM
The oil is always checked in same spot in the garage. Been riding motorcycles 40 years, none have used this much oil or had as many issues.
There's definitely something wrong.
The cam started making racket yesterday and likely a different issue.
I thought yesterday topping up the oil had solved the cam chain clatter but rode today and it's making a lot of noise.  It's louder than before I had the head replaced. 
I'm really bummed with this bike.  I'll get it in tomorrow if I can but not feeling warm and fuzzy about this.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Jon on August 25, 2014, 08:47:45 PM
Let us know what you find out. Yours is the first one that I've heard about using ANY oil...  :084:
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: redmerle on August 25, 2014, 09:53:09 PM
According to the user manual, you should check the oil when it is off the stand and stood on two wheels; a little bizarre, as this means it's a two person job. However, probably best to check it the way the factory recommends....
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Alameda XC on August 25, 2014, 11:35:37 PM
I've checked it both ways (standing on both wheels and using the center stand) - there's virtually no difference. As Jon says above - this is the first I've heard of an Explorer using ANY oil.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Jersey Boy on August 26, 2014, 12:56:03 AM
I added a bit of oil to my bike within the first 2,000 miles or so. had the head done at 3,300 miles. Not a drop since. I did change teh oil at 5,000 it has over 7,000 now with no more consumption.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: T140Dave on August 26, 2014, 02:46:58 AM
Some of the other Triumph triples are notorious for using oil - in particular the 1050s and the 675s. Its luck of the draw how your own bike behaves. My own Speed Trip used a lot of oil, my partner's basically the same motor in her Sprint uses none that's measurable. My S3 went like sh#t off a shovel, and ran very crisply. The dealer had the thing for ages checking it out and eventually I got the word back that Triumph had decreed it was operating within acceptable parameters, whatever that means. In other words they were saying that depending on how hung over the QA guy was that day, they were signing off on motors with widely varying tolerances. So I kept riding it and it made no difference except I had to check the oil and fill it back up every 1,000 kms.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: -Hoops- on August 26, 2014, 08:22:24 AM
*Originally Posted by T140Dave [+]
Some of the other Triumph triples are notorious for using oil
:0461:, especially if you run them hard when cold.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Yamaone on August 27, 2014, 12:01:05 PM
*Originally Posted by -Hoops- [+]
:0461:, especially if you run them hard when cold.

You didn't imply I did but just thought I'd go on record saying I don't normally ride off until there's two bars showing and even then I take it easy till warmed up.
Dealer has the bike now.  See what there thoughts are.
When I dropped it off yesterday they had a list of issues to check.
Cruise quit working, noisy head, oil consumption, cutting out.
They loaned me another explorer.  It's motor is noticeably stronger running.
Might call today and mention it.
Hopefully get this thing sorted.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: EdNeth on August 27, 2014, 07:35:24 PM
Hello,

Drove first Explorer 16000km, after the first oil change (1600km) no noticable oil use.
Second one so far 6500km, after first oil change no noticable use.
I check before every ride with a cold engine (first at sidestand and then pulling the bike level) and 5 min after i drove the bike, same procedure. With hot oil the level is a bit higher, even above the highest level, but so far no visible use,
Same with my Tiger 1050. 43000 km, not one extra oil filling between two maintenances. At one point it did use some oil due to a leaking rubber, only a few drops.

Greetings Edneth
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: redbullaholic on August 27, 2014, 07:59:33 PM
mine has not lost a drop, even after a spirited 2,500mile trip round spain last month with luggage. My old 1050 used half a litre of oil on the same trip a few years earlier....
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Explorer 62 on August 27, 2014, 09:36:49 PM
*Originally Posted by redbullaholic [+]
mine has not lost a drop, even after a spirited 2,500mile trip round spain last month with luggage. My old 1050 used half a litre of oil on the same trip a few years earlier....

My Tex never burnt a drop in 10K miles.

My 1050 sport must have burnt 3.6 liters of oil in the 61 miles riding home from the dealer whilst running it in, I checked the dip stick the next morning & it was dry....., or was that the service manager couldn't be arsed to do a PDI.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: T140Dave on August 28, 2014, 03:27:15 AM
*Originally Posted by -Hoops- [+]
:0461:, especially if you run them hard when cold.

Never ran my Speed Trip hard from cold. Warmed it while doing my jacket, up, putting helmet/gloves on, once moving kept the motor on light throttle and 3-5000 thou on tacho until the temp hit half way up the gauge. Same treatment with other bikes, no measurable oil consumption. Some is ok. I think 600-1000 ml per 1000 km is too much.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Yamaone on August 28, 2014, 11:23:56 AM
Hi guys, here's an update. 
Yesterday I talked with my dealer and he didn't think the (new) head was making any excessive noise. Hmmm?  Well at least I thought it was making more than previous week. 
They were looking into my other claims. 
While there waiting I noticed a new 2013 venom Green Speed Triple and decided to take a test ride.
During ride I thought to myself why the he11 did I sell my original speed triple a few years back.
Reluctantly returned and asked what they would do on a trade.
The bike was reduced because being a left over 2013 and had $500.00 free accessories.
It's done.  Traded on the spot and now have a new Speed Triple in my garage.
Won't go away, I'll keep lurking on the Explorer side.
Thanks for the support.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Griff on August 28, 2014, 12:03:41 PM
*Originally Posted by Yamaone [+]
Hi guys, here's an update. 
Yesterday I talked with my dealer and he didn't think the (new) head was making any excessive noise. Hmmm?  Well at least I thought it was making more than previous week. 
They were looking into my other claims. 
While there waiting I noticed a new 2013 venom Green Speed Triple and decided to take a test ride.
During ride I thought to myself why the he11 did I sell my original speed triple a few years back.
Reluctantly returned and asked what they would do on a trade.
The bike was reduced because being a left over 2013 and had $500.00 free accessories.
It's done.  Traded on the spot and now have a new Speed Triple in my garage.
Won't go away, I'll keep lurking on the Explorer side.
Thanks for the support.

It is a shame that you felt compelled to move on from this bike. I fully understand why you did, as I was very close to doing so last year over the Head issue. Best of luck with your new bike. 
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Yamaone on August 28, 2014, 12:21:34 PM
*Originally Posted by Griff [+]
It is a shame that you felt compelled to move on from this bike. I fully understand why you did, as I was very close to doing so last year over the Head issue. Best of luck with your new bike.

Thanks. 
Likely there was a head issue again.  Dealer didn't think it was excessively loud but being louder from one day to next isn't right.  Who knows how the oil usage would have played out.
Kind of last straw with the above and it cutting out as if it wasn't getting fuel.
I've had my eyes on this Speed Triple for before I bought the Explorer.
Owned one 8 years ago and realize now I regretted selling it.
Watched as they uncrated this bike way back over a year ago and thought it was awsum.
Amazing to me someone didn't grabbed it up. 
Guess it was meant to be, just had to wait till the price was right.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: T140Dave on August 28, 2014, 11:30:02 PM
Despite the oil consumption I loved my Speed Trip to bits. Unfortunately the permanent affects of a really nasty crash a few years ago are so intrusive that I was finding a full day in the saddle (my normal riding behaviour, I tend to do long distances or nothing) very uncomfortable. Such a shame. If not for this I would have traded it when the time came on a new S3.

I tried to justify keeping the bike when I bought the TEX. It was a reluctant sale. The TEX is a far better long distance bike but IMHO the Speed Trip is a way better all round do anything motorcycle package.
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: CT,tiger usa on August 29, 2014, 11:31:46 PM
My bike does not use oil none !10,000 miles . my Tiger 1050 on the highway on long trips drank it! My explorer never needs oil. And after the head change is quiet too!
Title: Re: What's considered excessive oil consumption?
Post by: Raclard on March 14, 2019, 06:21:11 PM
For what it's worth, my 2015 Explorer was serviced at 30,000 and, having put 5,000 on it since I checked the oil today to find it hasn't used any. The exhaust is clean and dry with no sign of carbon or oily deposit. Impressive.