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Title: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: tiger885 on December 01, 2018, 11:01:58 PM
After a friend was tragically killed last week after hitting a car doing and illegal U-turn I've decided to get a front/rear dash cam for my Explorer. Looking around it's a bit of a minefield with mentions about issues with bikes that have cambuses (whatever they are?), hardwiring, software, etc. I would be grateful to hear from anyone on the forum that can recommend a decent system that won't break the bank. I'm trying to budget up to £150 if possible. Any help appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Rockhopp3r on December 02, 2018, 05:13:49 AM
I had the first iteration of this:

https://www.innovv.com/

It worked so and so, but at the time it was the only real moto dash cam.

I would not recommend the first gen innov cameras, but I hear they have come a long way since then.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Hax on December 02, 2018, 12:51:19 PM
Sorry for the prompt for this post.
Seems that lots use GoPro’s or the likes. Innovv does look quite impressive.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: JG_XRT on December 02, 2018, 01:59:09 PM
Sorry to hear about your friend.

The Tiger has a CANBUS electrical system, since you mentioned it.

I don't really have any camera recommendations for you as I have never tried one myself.   But if you already have a newer model Garmin GPS (not sure which models beyond the 595 and 395) mounted on your bike, the Garmin brand cameras integrate with the GPS and can be controlled from the GPS unit.

As long as whatever camera system you install gets its power direct from the battery you shouldn't have any problems with the CANBUS system.

You could power them off of the rear Powerlet port or top box power point as well, for convenient switched power.

Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: r2uzenblot on December 02, 2018, 03:04:19 PM
I have a Ghost Pro (not cheap) that neatly mounts discretely on the offside ft indicator stalk. Works for me; not wired in and good for 2 hours with a 32Gb card and a full battery.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: XCaTel on December 02, 2018, 04:41:43 PM
If you want to try an knock something up on a budget get a 2nd hand Go Pro Hero 4 (or 4 black) and get a battery eliminator cable. Plug the eliminator cable to a front USB port if you have one fixed or run the eliminator cable from the rear USB port to the camera. The 4 black will take a 128GB memory card giving over 10 hours recording at 720p or set it up on a loop which can be up to the last 120 minutes in which case a 32GB card would suffice at 720p. If you want a higher quality image the recording will take more space of course. If you want clear slow speed playback set the frame rate at 50/60 (depending on whether you are NTSC/PAL). You will need to have it in a GoPro case for weather protection and have created a slot in the back of the case for the eliminator cable, then seal that slot with some silicon sealant. Not as good as an INNOV system but adequate. If you go the GoPro battery route you will end up changing batteries constantly, they barely last an hour when recoding. In the end you won't bother on occasion and defeat the whole purpose.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Vin829 on December 02, 2018, 05:36:40 PM
I was going to go with the Innovv. They are horrible as a company. I was charged $350 for my order and it was never shipped. They are based in China. After multiple emails was finally told what I ordered was not in stock yet they charged my credit card. After multiple promises of when they would ship they never did. Then took another 2 week to get my credit card refunded. If you go with them be careful
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Kiwibiker on December 02, 2018, 05:52:07 PM
Try Motoprocam at https:\\motoprocam.com. I have them fitted to 2 of my bikes. They have both front and rear cameras which run continuous looping. Easy to fit and set up. Best I have been able to find.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: tiger885 on December 02, 2018, 07:22:18 PM
Thanks everyone for your help on this. Kiwibiker I've taken your advice and bought the one you recommended  https://motoprocam.com direct for the USA supplier. Total cost today including shipping to the UK UPS seemed reasonable for front and rear, wi-fi, etc. at US $232.87  Not inexpensive but I figure I've spent over £15k on my bike so it's really a small price to pay. I really appreciate everyone's help. Best regards.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: TotnesSteve on December 03, 2018, 08:27:10 AM
Here's mine.

http://flic.kr/p/XkAxAQ

From Nortek, Brit company. Similar design to Innov, but better quality, IMO.

Nortek.co.uk

Mine works well. Front and back cameras.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: TotnesSteve on December 03, 2018, 08:31:47 AM
http://www.nortek.co.uk/bike-bro-dual-camera-motorcycle-dvr/

It's not that easy to find on Nortek's website.


*Originally Posted by TotnesSteve [+]
Here's mine.

http://flic.kr/p/XkAxAQ

From Nortek, Brit company. Similar design to Innov, but better quality, IMO.

Nortek.co.uk

Mine works well. Front and back cameras.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: TotnesSteve on December 03, 2018, 08:34:52 AM
Ah, it's discontinued.

They recommend

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-COMBI-MOTOR-CYCLE-2-Channel-DUAL-CAM-FULL-1080P-HD-Dash-Camera-IP57-W-Proof-/232421193727?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10


*Originally Posted by TotnesSteve [+]
http://www.nortek.co.uk/bike-bro-dual-camera-motorcycle-dvr/

It's not that easy to find on Nortek's website.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: tiger885 on December 04, 2018, 07:26:56 PM
Thank you totenessteve for the link. It seems very similar to the one I've ordered from the States and is certainly less expensive. Fingers crossed the system I've ordered does the job. Your help appreciated.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: pcarnut on December 07, 2018, 04:03:21 AM
Also interested but will wait a little bit for the dash update from Triumph on the 2018 that is supposed to allow integration of camera controls with the dash display.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: XCaTel on December 07, 2018, 10:41:10 AM
If you mount your phone on the mirror stalk and it is either waterproof or has a window for the camera lens on the phone case you could use your mobile phone as a dash cam. I used to use my phone as a Nav App with Sygic (as it took waypoints). Sygic has a dash cam add-on for €3.99. It loops in a 5 minute cycle so doesn't consume all of your phone memory. You can manually save a recording or it will save the video automatically. This happens when the app detects a sudden change of speed through the device's accelerometer, which can indicate a collision or other incident. Information about GPS coordinates, current speed, date and time are written into the meta-data of the video. There must be a bunch of apps for phones doing the same thing. Not as convinient or unobtrusive as a hardwired solution but a nice low cost one. You can still use the Nav App on full screen while the dash cam app is recording in the background.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Swamprider on December 07, 2018, 05:58:11 PM
Moto pro cam has a sale 30% off for those interested
cheers
Patrick
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Rockhopp3r on December 07, 2018, 06:29:39 PM
I'm not sure I understand why you'd want to have a screen that isn't waterproof on the bike.

Am I missing something? Is there use for the screen other than watching what is being recorded?
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: XCaTel on December 07, 2018, 09:59:57 PM
*Originally Posted by Rockhopp3r [+]
I'm not sure I understand why you'd want to have a screen that isn't waterproof on the bike.

I am talking about your mobile phone, most of which are not waterproof. It is very common to have them in a waterproof case on a bike.

Am I missing something? Is there use for the screen other than watching what is being recorded?

Yes you are missing something, it can be a Sat Nav at the same time and it is still your mobile phone, which may be connected to your headset for making and receiving calls and taking spoken Sat Nav directions.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Rockhopp3r on December 07, 2018, 10:03:35 PM
Wasn't referring to your post. I was talking about the moto pro cam that I was checking out after someone mentioned a discount.

My phone is mounted and I do use it for nav, calls, etc.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: XCaTel on December 07, 2018, 10:05:24 PM
*Originally Posted by Rockhopp3r [+]
Wasn't referring to your post. I was talking about the moto pro cam that I was checking out after someone mentioned a discount.

My phone is mounted and I do use it for nav, calls, etc.
I get you, my mistake.  :431:
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Simmo on December 08, 2018, 10:19:41 PM
Hi All

I've been following this thread with interest.

I would like to fit a front and rear, bike powered, camera set up but I dont want the display screen option. I know that the memory card gets plugged in to the display box but I'wondering if there is a simpler arrangement ie a small black box to go under the seat that will do the trick.

My logic is I like the 'protection' the camera offers but I dont want the distraction or clutter of the display unit. I wouldnt want daily access to the memory card it would just sit there recording on a loop just in case.

I've looked around but cannot find what I'm looking for - has anyone else seen anything that might be suitable? Cheers

Simmo
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Vin829 on December 08, 2018, 10:29:03 PM
*Originally Posted by Simmo [+]
Hi All

I've been following this thread with interest.

I would like to fit a front and rear, bike powered, camera set up but I dont want the display screen option. I know that the memory card gets plugged in to the display box but I'wondering if there is a simpler arrangement ie a small black box to go under the seat that will do the trick.

My logic is I like the 'protection' the camera offers but I dont want the distraction or clutter of the display unit. I wouldnt want daily access to the memory card it would just sit there recording on a loop just in case.

I've looked around but cannot find what I'm looking for - has anyone else seen anything that might be suitable? Cheers

Simmo

You can just mount the display screen under the seat. The motoprocam is regularly $349. With all the discounts it’s down to $200. Might have to give it a shot
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Rockhopp3r on December 08, 2018, 11:11:57 PM
Simmo, sounds like you're looking for innov cam, but I can't vouch for its quality.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: XCaTel on December 09, 2018, 09:20:22 PM
Yes, just stick it under the seat, the display is helpful to sight the cameras but once done...
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: tiger885 on December 10, 2018, 09:26:54 PM
I'll update this post when my MotoProCam Dual 1080P WIFI Motorcycle DVR Cam System arrives soon from the States. Just like Simmo I intend to mount the screen under the rear seat as I don't need a screen to tell me what's in front or behind me, I just want the loop and perhaps the opportunity to freeze images or segments when riding somewhere interesting. Shame the Pound £ continues to tank though!
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Dilbert on December 11, 2018, 01:09:05 PM
I've got a Nextbase Ride one RAM mounted off the screen top rail (2015 model) next to the Satnav mount, seems to work well, though only tested it so far, I don't use it as a "dashcam" more to share rides with friends on FB.

Just make sure it's double insulated IP67, or IPx waterproof, mine shoots through the screen fine, others have mounted them off the beak rails, upper crash bars, etc, where they're a bit more exposed.

£100 off, of the eBay, or £135 from Halfrauds https://www.nextbase.com/en-gb/dash-cams/ride-motorcycle-bikecam/
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Simmo on December 11, 2018, 03:24:33 PM
Hi Rockhopp3r & Tiger 885

I like the look of both systems and certainly the price of the MotoProCam looks attractive although I'm a bit nervous about the amount of import duty that might be demanded! Plus there is the warranty issue ie returning goods etc but hopefully that wont be an issue.

I missed Innovv at the NEC Bike Show but I've checked the trade stalls list for the London Show in February and they are going to be there. I'll pop along and see what deals they are doing on the K2 package.

Failing that I'm over in Florida for a few days at the Daytona Bike Week in March and I might be able to pick something up there.

Cheers all.

Simmo
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: PTwizz on December 12, 2018, 02:00:37 PM
I run an imitation go-pro, purchased for around £30 complete with waterproof case and a range of mounting options. I have it mounted in front of the instrument cluster and behind the screen. It is permanently connected, via a twin USB socket which I fitted in the right hand 'cheek' of the fairing. The USB socket is powered only when the ignition is on. The camera is set up as a dash cam, so it begins recording when powered, saves video in 5 minute segments and continuously overwrites the oldest segment on the SD card.
The display is set to show what is recording for 60 seconds after power on, then it shuts down and a small blue light is the only indication that the camera is still recording. I have my camera positioned so that I can see the display when it starts up, but the blue light at the lower left corner of the camera is out of line of sight when riding.
Video quality is adequate for a dash camera - I can read the registration numbers of vehicles which I am passing, those which pass me, and those passing in the opposite direction at relatively low speed (<60mph closing speed at a guess).
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: Rockhopp3r on December 12, 2018, 03:19:56 PM
Would you mind posting a picture of that USB socket and where you positioned it? I'm evaluating installing one myself.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: PTwizz on December 12, 2018, 03:32:50 PM
Will do so tomorrow, when I'm where the bike is.
Title: Re: Explorer Dash Cam Recommendation
Post by: PTwizz on December 13, 2018, 10:29:51 AM
(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/2018-12-12-18.56.29.jpg)
(https://cdn.img.tiger-explorer.com/2018-12-12-18.56.37.jpg)
If those images have uploaded correctly, you should see a shot looking down the right hand side of the instrument cluster, showing the socket with 2 USB leads connected. The socket has a rubber cap, which when open, provides some shelter for the exposed USB plugs.
The other shot shows the installation looking forward.
The installation is on the right side of the bike, so has some added protection from rain when the bike is on its side stand.
I have ridden and parked the bike in torrential rain with this set up, with no water getting into the socket.