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Title: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: FredJ9 on December 05, 2018, 03:45:30 PM
I bought a new, never prepped '15 TEx this past February. Now that I have the bike sorted to my liking, I really, really enjoy it.
I keep reading stories, not just on this forum, about electronic problems with modern bikes. TPMS, suspension, keyless ignition etc. failures. When I say not just on this forum, I mean not just Triumph.
Getting stranded because the computer doesn't recognize this or that, especially on an adventure bike, doesn't sit well with me albeit rare.
I have a simple question in regards to all the modern upgrades that are becoming unavoidable on new motorcycles above 700cc's or so.
To those who have experienced "old vs new" technology, what is your opinion on what is necessary vs what is not?
I'm of the impression that once you set up any motorcycle for your personal riding style, you really don't fiddle much. Set it and forget it so to speak.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: CaptainTrips on December 05, 2018, 04:35:23 PM
*Originally Posted by FredJ9 [+]
I'm of the impression that once you set up any motorcycle for your personal riding style, you really don't fiddle much. Set it and forget it so to speak.
Correct. It's like that fancy dishwasher that you have with 10 wash modes, that you always click the same wash button on and hit start. My riding buddy who had first generation electronic suspension adjustment, found one mode that worked for everything (one-up, two-up, with luggage) and left it in that mode so long that it eventually seized -- and he never missed it. He put almost 200k kms on that bike.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: bazthebike on December 05, 2018, 04:48:18 PM
*Originally Posted by FredJ9 [+]
I bought a new, never prepped '15 TEx this past February. Now that I have the bike sorted to my liking, I really, really enjoy it.
I keep reading stories, not just on this forum, about electronic problems with modern bikes. TPMS, suspension, keyless ignition etc. failures. When I say not just on this forum, I mean not just Triumph.
Getting stranded because the computer doesn't recognize this or that, especially on an adventure bike, doesn't sit well with me albeit rare.
I have a simple question in regards to all the modern upgrades that are becoming unavoidable on new motorcycles above 700cc's or so.
To those who have experienced "old vs new" technology, what is your opinion on what is necessary vs what is not?
I'm of the impression that once you set up any motorcycle for your personal riding style, you really don't fiddle much. Set it and forget it so to speak.
       Hi, I bought a gen 2 xcx because I wanted abs,traction, etc, but def didn't want keyless ignition.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Hax on December 05, 2018, 05:14:33 PM
Old vs new. I’d taken new every time.
Yea, I don’t use half the stuff once setup but know it’s there.
Swapping suspension modes on the fly is neat. Not a gimmick when you can swap to a lazy smooth ride after a bit of a blast......  :164:
Having all the safety stuff is a great assurance. TPMS has saved me wrecking a tyre where I nursed the bike home pumping it up several times.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: KenW on December 05, 2018, 07:48:16 PM
The biggest gains for me in going from a 2015 TEx to a 2018 T1200, are the more comfortable seat and the smoother suspension.
Means my old bones can ride for longer in a day, and probably is imparting less damage to my back.
My missus is more comfortable on the back too.  She appreciates the heated seat on colder rides, as do I.

I mostly leave my suspension set to 'comfort'.
I feel the electric screen is inferior to the Madstad screen I had on my 2015 TEx.
The quick shift doesn't change as smoothly as clutching, so I tend not to use it much with the missus on the back.  (Its useful in the twisties.)
Have done 16kkm on my T1200 now.

If you have the seat and suspension sorted on your 2015 TEx, then I'd say stay with it until it starts giving too much trouble.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: XCaTel on December 05, 2018, 09:21:43 PM
*Originally Posted by kenw [+]

The quick shift doesn't change as smoothly as clutching, so I tend not to use it much with the missus on the back. 

Then there is something wrong with your quickshift kenw. My quickshift is buttery smooth and superb, even at low speeds on the downshift. I really would get that looked at.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: FredJ9 on December 06, 2018, 12:49:19 AM
*Originally Posted by kenw [+]
If you have the seat and suspension sorted on your 2015 TEx, then I'd say stay with it until it starts giving too much trouble.

Yes, got the suspension sorted and it's very good
Picked up a tall comfort seat from a forum member, very comfortable but not taller.
Ya, I really like my '15. Still getting familiar with abs and traction control ;-)
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Dark Star on December 06, 2018, 01:50:55 AM
I've been riding since 82.  I haven't owned that many bikes as I like to get to know them.  In this order: 19?? Yamaha XS650 rigid chopper (no electronics, no problems); 1984 Harley XLX Sportster (electronic ignition went wrong and had to be replaced £££££); 1979 Harley Shovelhead in rigid frame (no electronics, no problems); 2006 Harley Screaming Eagle Dynaglide (ECU went mad switching indicators on and off at random - had to be replaced. £££££), I've still got the bike; 2006 Speed Triple (sticky throttle body sensor had to be replaced ££££). I've still got the bike..............

..............and so that leads onto the 2016 XRT. I was a bit apprehensive about the electronics but my wife (who has been riding for quite a while herself) said "all new bikes are electronic - you might as well have the lot!"   So how did that work out?

I love the self adjusting TSAS suspension.  From solo with no bags to two-up with a fortnights luggage - no problem, no spanners.

I love the heated grips (and seat), I've never had them before.

I love the rider modes.  I only ever use road (two-up or when it's wet) and sport (on my own in the dry) but you can certainly feel a more assertive and immediate throttle response in sport.

I love the lean ABS. I have never had a bike with ABS before. Last summer we were cruising some country lanes, came around a bend to find a tractor and trailer waiting in the cross roads. We had eye contact, but he decided to move anyway.  I was lent over, 80 mph two-up and hit the breaks as hard as I could.  We came to a smooth halt just below the window of the driver's cab.  On either of my other bikes I would have hit him for sure.  It would be his fault but my pain.

I love the traction control. Last winter we were coming over the Brecon Beacons and it started to snow hard. The roads weren't salted. Cars were pulling over because they couldn't see. My wife was on the back and asked "should we stop?" but no-one is going to help you so we kept on keeping on. 25 miles with the roads white with snow. I was steady on the throttle and didn't touch the brakes. I could see the traction-control light flashing away but didn't feel a thing. If I was on my Harley or my Speed Triple we would've been skidding down the road!

TL:DR - Electronics, YEAH!



Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Wiliam on December 06, 2018, 03:18:57 AM
New over old almost every time...
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: NiK on December 06, 2018, 11:46:44 AM
I'm with Dark Star on this one. Every safety electronic device is great!

As for gadgets, here is my list (from the best to the worst):
- LED headlight: the halogens already were good. The LEDs are incredible! For a night owl like me, that's a true blessing!
- Heated thingies: when riding all year long, you can survive without but can live only with ;-)
- Cruise Control: makes long trips a breeze and keeps my license alive ;-)
- TSAS: I've always been thinking it to be a marketing gimmick. Now I use it almost everyday. Smoothest when riding on pothole laden road, then turning the firmness to +3/+4 (which is the threshold I found to get minimal brake dive).
- Electric windscreen: same. Believed it to be useless and now using everyday in Summer.
- Quick shifter: as good as myself for clutchless upshifting (a bit better actually, since it never misses a sync ;-), but wayyyy better than me for clutchless downshifting. Really excellent implementation!
- Riding modes: fun and useful at first sight. Now I only ride on Sport mode. Perfectly manageable and Traction Control protects me from any right wrist misbehavior.
- TFT iPadish dash: once novelty wears off, I stuck to the layout I prefer and never change it. Most indications are too small. I want my needles back!
- Keyless start: unreliable, obtrusive, utter marketing bullsh!t. Left me stranded for two months (thus proving Triumph doesn't master its own technology). Annoys me at every tank refill. Keeps me turning the fob on and off to spare the battery. By far the very worst idea Triumph ever had.

Wouldn't it be for the poor (what's the superlative of poor? lame? pathetic?) display of computer skills from Triumph, I wouldn't regret a single second my 'old' 2014 Tex. But I believe that's today tradeoff: we get (supposedly) useful features, but we lose a part of reliability...
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Zeebad on December 06, 2018, 12:39:01 PM
You blokes are gonna cost me money. Stop telling me how good the shift assist is.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: XCaTel on December 06, 2018, 01:08:43 PM
I won't go through a list of all the gadgets I like because there are so many and this post would be an essay but top of my list for everyday interaction has to be the simple linked brakes. Just scooting around all day with two fingers on the front brake is very relaxed, even for the hardest of braking.

Special mention has to go to the ability to customise the rider modes too. Being a heavier rider, I have upped the default damping on every rider mode by a couple of notches. I don’t mean via the joystick once in the rider mode (but that is a way as changes are persistent) but in the actual rider mode settings. My new damping settings now come up by default per rider mode of choice. As I am not changing ABS/Traction in that setup (but you can do that too), there is no addendum to the rider mode image on the dash indicating it differs from the stock factory setting. That’s the little picture of a helmet over the rider mode on a Gen 3 dash.

The biggest waste of time to my mind is the keyless Ignition, I acknowledge some people like it, I just find it irksome, especially with an alarm.
Closely followed by the cornering lights. They don't irk me like the keyless, they are just superfluous vanity items. I have driven in pitch black on a curvy road, no street lights or moonlight to mitigate the effect, and I can barely perceive a change (yes, I am leaning the bike). Occasionally you can catch a minor illumination out the corner of the eye but that is about it.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Icy on December 06, 2018, 01:38:09 PM
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
I'm with Dark Star on this one. Every safety electronic device is great!

As for gadgets, here is my list (from the best to the worst):
- LED headlight: the halogens already were good. The LEDs are incredible! For a night owl like me, that's a true blessing!
- Heated thingies: when riding all year long, you can survive without but can live only with ;-)
- Cruise Control: makes long trips a breeze and keeps my license alive ;-)
- TSAS: I've always been thinking it to be a marketing gimmick. Now I use it almost everyday. Smoothest when riding on pothole laden road, then turning the firmness to +3/+4 (which is the threshold I found to get minimal brake dive).
- Electric windscreen: same. Believed it to be useless and now using everyday in Summer.
- Quick shifter: as good as myself for clutchless upshifting (a bit better actually, since it never misses a sync ;-), but wayyyy better than me for clutchless downshifting. Really excellent implementation!
- Riding modes: fun and useful at first sight. Now I only ride on Sport mode. Perfectly manageable and Traction Control protects me from any right wrist misbehavior.
- TFT iPadish dash: once novelty wears off, I stuck to the layout I prefer and never change it. Most indications are too small. I want my needles back!
- Keyless start: unreliable, obtrusive, utter marketing bullsh!t. Left me stranded for two months (thus proving Triumph doesn't master its own technology). Annoys me at every tank refill. Keeps me turning the fob on and off to spare the battery. By far the very worst idea Triumph ever had.

Wouldn't it be for the poor (what's the superlative of poor? lame? pathetic?) display of computer skills from Triumph, I wouldn't regret a single second my 'old' 2014 Tex. But I believe that's today tradeoff: we get (supposedly) useful features, but we lose a part of reliability...

 :0461: :0461: :0461: :821: :028:

Except clutchless shifting - that's blasphemy!   :745:
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: sirsidneyrd on December 06, 2018, 06:25:24 PM
keyless ignition - massive sales disincentive - you still have to get the key out for fuel so negates any benefit then you have the risk of getting stranded - wont change my 2012 for a new one until i don't have to have that - these posh cars are all getting nicked so easily now a child could do it with keyless    :230:
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: AndrewNZ on December 06, 2018, 08:09:39 PM
I have a 2017 XRt in the faster red and immaterial of whether you think the gadgets are worth it as a comparison between my 2012 launch model and the XRt is chalk and cheese and I found it money well spent as for the MKIII which I believe they brought out far too soon after the MKII I cannot really comment as I yet to test ride it.
But I do like a gadget and have not found anything on the XRt that I thought a waste of weight.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: pcarnut on December 06, 2018, 10:47:32 PM
Went from a 2017XRT to my 2018 XRT, pretty much love everything about the bike except the keyless ignition, not a fan at all.  Hate having to fumble around to find my key at gas stations.  I try to make a point of putting the fob in the same pocket each time but sometimes forget and then I'm patting myself down all over the place.   :008:
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: vsteel on December 07, 2018, 03:37:04 AM
*Originally Posted by sirsidneyrd [+]
keyless ignition - massive sales disincentive - you still have to get the key out for fuel so negates any benefit then you have the risk of getting stranded - wont change my 2012 for a new one until i don't have to have that - these posh cars are all getting nicked so easily now a child could do it with keyless    :230:
The very best thing is when you are riding in really cold weather.  You get dressed up in the warm, walk into the cold and hop on the bike and start it up without having to unzip or take off the gloves to get the keys.  Same thing when you stop, just hop off the bike and not have to unglove.  Didn't see any  benefit to the keyless until then. 
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Hax on December 07, 2018, 06:51:34 AM
 :0461:
I like the keyless function. Nothing flapping about or marking the top yoke (I hate looking at bikes where the yoke is destroyed by a bunch of keys rolling about  :232:)
If anyone is worried about the key being clone'd to steal the bike then turn it off  :084:
My key's on a lanyard along with the topbox key around my neck and a card holder for my card to pay for the petrol - simple.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: NiK on December 07, 2018, 08:51:17 AM
*Originally Posted by Icy [+]
Except clutchless shifting - that's blasphemy!   :745:
Icy, you are the typical two-wheeled obscurantist Yankee ;-)
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Icy on December 07, 2018, 11:42:19 AM
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
Icy, you are the typical two-wheeled obscurantist Yankee ;-)

 :305:

Yankee doodle keep it up
Yankee doodle dandy
mind the music and the step
and with the girls be handy
...
 :082:
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: sirsidneyrd on December 07, 2018, 04:57:15 PM
*Originally Posted by vsteel [+]
The very best thing is when you are riding in really cold weather.  You get dressed up in the warm, walk into the cold and hop on the bike and start it up without having to unzip or take off the gloves to get the keys.  Same thing when you stop, just hop off the bike and not have to unglove.  Didn't see any  benefit to the keyless until then.

Can you fuel without removing your gloves ? thats my beef - i get your benefit but i hate fueling up at the best of times 
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: CaptainTrips on December 07, 2018, 05:07:22 PM
*Originally Posted by sirsidneyrd [+]
Can you fuel without removing your gloves ? thats my beef - i get your benefit but i hate fueling up at the best of times
I love doing quick pit stops but fueling requires my handling of a credit card, so one glove must come off.

Keyless is just another gimmick. Next will be unlocking and starting your bike from your phone. And like my wife and I found out yesterday when her phone was stolen and hacked, you suddenly realize how completely vulnerable you are to your devices when the 'key' goes missing. Fortunately, my wife was the one who remembered the app on our phones that allows you to open our garage door from anywhere -- yikes!! I ripped the plug out of that thing post haste.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Fuze on December 09, 2018, 09:50:05 PM
Most tech improvements that we do not notice are the best.  EFI that does not do anything to make its presence know, ABS: it tells you when you need to know, ignition map and so on.
Of the gadgets that the Tex have, my fav is the TPMS.  Others in this thread have mentioned it, and I will chime in.  It is good.  The warning came on while traveling in the Yukon 2 up on a miserable and rainy 2 deg C endurance ride in the middle of nowhere.  We pulled over at a favourable place to assess and repair a puncture with enough pressure to make this a good experience rather than the alternative.  Best money spent. 

The rest of the gadgets?  For my experiences...not as crucial.  I do not have the cornering abs, but I think that would be another 'must have' if exploring a replacement bike. 
 :305:
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Will Morgan on December 09, 2018, 11:14:13 PM
Gadgets? Never think I'll need them, never think I want them.......but when I'm on a bike without them I miss them.
Just like Joni Mitchell sang: "you don't know what you've got til its gone"
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: wrinkley on December 10, 2018, 06:50:23 AM
I've gone through Gen1, Gen2, and now on a Gen3. Are the 'Gadgets' worth it?


TSAS..Love it, use it almost everytime I'm out.

Electonic screen...Love it, use it almost everytime I'm out.


TFT Screen. Wasn't sure at first, but now I really like it. Easy to read in all light conditions, and very easy to follow.


Cornering lights. Bit of a gimmick, but they do work to an extent. I wouldn't miss it if it wasn't there.


Rider modes...Love it, use it all the time.


Quickshifter...Glorious piece of kit, worth it just for the downshifting.


Cruise Control....Never use it,just not my thing, it makes me feel very uncomfortable.


Cornering ABS... Never used it in anger, but I have done a few controlled tests. It's a very clever piece of kit and nice to know it's there.


Keyless ignition....Don't get me started, the work of the Devil. Mine regularly fails to boot up unless held over the transponder under the back seat. Absolute pain when filling up.


So, overall I think the 'gadgets' are worth it. One or two just need a little more thought.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: NiK on December 10, 2018, 09:03:53 AM
Breaking news!

I was about to join the pack of cornering LEDs haters, then I rode home on Friday night (usual trip back from music rehearsal, about 70km at night).
Cornering to get out of a roundabout, I noticed them cornering gadgets instantly and clearly!
Then, on the rest of the trip, I leaned on purpose just to see them in action.
I can't believe that I noticed them only now! I've tried to see them for months to no avail!

I'm so astounded that I'm starting to wonder if the software recently uploaded to my ECU could have activated a sleeping function...

So, these are not gadgets anymore. They truly light up corners (in complete darkness of course).
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Simmo on December 10, 2018, 11:32:00 AM
I love gadgets but I never learn how to use them!

I'm on my third Explorer now but I can honestly say I've never so much as adjusted the clock on any of them!

This year though I did manage to change the Rider Mode a couple of times (between Sport and Wet) but wouldnt have a clue about changing settings within modes.

Simple things that work are great ie TCS, ABS, TPMS and on my XRT 'Hill Hold Assist' - Brilliant!

Simmo
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: XCaTel on December 10, 2018, 11:59:03 AM
*Originally Posted by AndrewNZ [+]
I have a 2017 XRt in the faster red and immaterial of whether you think the gadgets are worth it as a comparison between my 2012 launch model and the XRt is chalk and cheese and I found it money well spent as for the MKIII which I believe they brought out far too soon after the MKII I cannot really comment as I yet to test ride it.
But I do like a gadget and have not found anything on the XRt that I thought a waste of weight.
I keep telling you guys that white is the fastest colour, look closely at the official Triumph page, attached here for convenience.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Icy on December 10, 2018, 01:01:26 PM
 :008: good one.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: FredJ9 on December 10, 2018, 05:28:46 PM
Seems like the MC industry as a whole needs to abandon the whole keyless thing until they can get it sorted.
Don’t know if that would sell bikes though. Going backwards technologically would admit defeat. Nobody wants to admit to failure.
Someone needs to fall on their sword and the rest will follow. Who will be first?

I haven’t even looked into Japanese bikes for the same issue. Have they solved the keyless problem?
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: CaptainTrips on December 10, 2018, 06:14:33 PM
*Originally Posted by FredJ9 [+]
I haven’t even looked into Japanese bikes for the same issue. Have they solved the keyless problem?
Implant under the skin. No one can start your bike but you. Existing technology proposed for firearms control -- eg. preventing police officers from being shot with their own weapons. 
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: eps on December 10, 2018, 10:33:36 PM
*Originally Posted by FredJ9 [+]
Seems like the MC industry as a whole needs to abandon the whole keyless thing until they can get it sorted.
Don’t know if that would sell bikes though. Going backwards technologically would admit defeat. Nobody wants to admit to failure.
Someone needs to fall on their sword and the rest will follow. Who will be first?

I haven’t even looked into Japanese bikes for the same issue. Have they solved the keyless problem?
I have keless ignition on my car - hate it !!! Whats wrong with a good fashioned key ? I get progress and I'm glad some people like the technology but  its not for me really - I just want to ride my bike. I value relaibility, economy, performance I can use, and comfort - I can afford a new bike I just choose not to.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: NiK on December 11, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
I still think that problems don't arise because of the keyless system per se (apart from the poor implementation consisting in letting the tank lock mechanical). Any part of any system can malfunction sooner or later. What's wrong is the central unit error processing procedures. Very typical programming fault in general IT that vehicle manufacturers should NEVER allow onboard. They just don't place their money/effort on this.

It will probably take several dead people (and the ensuing court decisions) to have the situation corrected. Business as usual...
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: CaptainTrips on December 11, 2018, 05:03:57 PM
*Originally Posted by NiK [+]
I still think that problems don't arise because of the keyless system per se (apart from the poor implementation consisting in letting the tank lock mechanical). Any part of any system can malfunction sooner or later. What's wrong is the central unit error processing procedures. Very typical programming fault in general IT that vehicle manufacturers should NEVER allow onboard. They just don't place their money/effort on this.
Read an article on car theft (and export of stolen cars) in my local paper today which shed some light on keyless fobs. It seems that they passively emit unencrypted signals that allow hackers using laptops to access and clone them from outside of your house. It is then easy to fake out the vehicle. I guess that the lesson is to make sure that you power off your fob when not in use.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: FredJ9 on December 11, 2018, 06:36:45 PM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
Read an article on car theft (and export of stolen cars) in my local paper today which shed some light on keyless fobs. It seems that they passively emit unencrypted signals that allow hackers using laptops to access and clone them from outside of your house. It is then easy to fake out the vehicle. I guess that the lesson is to make sure that you power off your fob when not in use.

I heard about this years ago.
I work with the auto industry and move these keyless cars around almost daily. I had no idea you could "turn off" the key fob. I'll need to pay attention next time and see.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: CaptainTrips on December 11, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
*Originally Posted by FredJ9 [+]
I heard about this years ago.
I work with the auto industry and move these keyless cars around almost daily. I had no idea you could "turn off" the key fob. I'll need to pay attention next time and see.
If I am remembering correctly, the 2018 T12s have a power button on the fob.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: FredJ9 on December 11, 2018, 07:45:21 PM
If I remember correctly, during the unlock activation of the car on certain key fobs you can grab the signal as well.
I would imagine anything that sends out a signal can be hacked if you are close enough to get it.

Seems a little strange that the fob won't work if it's only a few feet away but can be hacked from across the street.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: pcarnut on December 12, 2018, 01:18:07 AM
*Originally Posted by CaptainTrips [+]
If I am remembering correctly, the 2018 T12s have a power button on the fob.
They do.  I turn mine off, when I can remember, to save the battery.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Hawk281 on December 12, 2018, 02:22:11 AM
Turn my fob (used two batteries in 11000 miles) off after every ride and replaced the gas cap with a screw on type, no key.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: NiK on December 12, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
Yes distant attacks on vehicles are not only possible, but more and more frequent these days. This is yet another problem with this useless 'feature'.
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: sirsidneyrd on December 12, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
These upmarket motors emit all the time looking for a signal - just poor - in fact your banger with a security shield on the wheel is safer - as i said earlier will not buy a new one until its an option - one more thing to go wrong at the wrong time - cue copious swearing and a dead bike for the owner or indeed a lost bike
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: Griff on December 12, 2018, 05:28:08 PM
I have been riding continuously for almost 50 years. As such I consider myself to be a traditional motorcyclist. I also consider myself progressive.

I like EFI.

I think ABS is a good modern progression on bikes.

I like Cruise Control, especially as I get older and suffer with numbness of my hands.

I like the idea of Electronic suspension because of its ability to change settings on the fly. However they do wear out and the cost of replacement or repair is prohibitive.

I don't need engine modes, especially on a very tractable triple motor. It is totally unnecessary there. However it is necessary on Twins with ridiculous horsepower such as Ducati and KTM.

I have Keyless ignition on one of my bikes. I feel it is unnecessary especially as I still have to carry a key fob around with me.

I think that is everything relevant to me on bikes that I have owned to date.


 
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: sirsidneyrd on December 12, 2018, 06:58:03 PM
Lets hope Triumph will listen to real people - this is a working bike not a Sunday rider  :440:
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: CaptainTrips on December 12, 2018, 08:15:38 PM
*Originally Posted by sirsidneyrd [+]
Lets hope Triumph will listen to real people - this is a working bike not a Sunday rider  :440:
That's an interesting point. The counter-argument is of course that "we must keep up with our competitors, or lose sales". This is borne out by the fact that there are folks on this forum who trade up to newer versions of the same bike for exactly this reason. If there is nothing new, then why trade up?
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: sirsidneyrd on December 12, 2018, 08:34:31 PM
its a view but i think for the very reasons mentioned here the fashion of keyless will be short lived one in this case with this design for motorcycles - for my Panigale ( not) it works as cool but as a practical solution fashion following is sometimes retro thinking - no idea what Beemer do - someone will know     
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: CaptainTrips on December 12, 2018, 11:23:29 PM
*Originally Posted by sirsidneyrd [+]
its a view but i think for the very reasons mentioned here the fashion of keyless will be short lived one in this case with this design for motorcycles - for my Panigale ( not) it works as cool but as a practical solution fashion following is sometimes retro thinking - no idea what Beemer do - someone will know     
I think that the keyless ignition on a bike is a solution in search of a problem... :004:
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: NiK on December 13, 2018, 08:25:56 AM
Once again, I think you nailed it Cap!

And I don't believe there will be any step backward to useability. They made keyless crap a marketing show, now they're stuck with it for good (all of them, be it cars, bikes, bulldozers...).
Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: vsteel on December 14, 2018, 05:04:22 AM
*Originally Posted by sirsidneyrd [+]
Can you fuel without removing your gloves ? thats my beef - i get your benefit but i hate fueling up at the best of times
No, I can't refuel without removing my gloves but then again with a key I need to remove my gloves because I need to dig for my wallet and get my credit card out.  To me the fueling isn't really different. 

Don't get my wrong, I think it is cool to not need to mess with my key when it is cold out, but otherwise I don't really notice it and key or keyless is not a deciding factor for me.   It was 0% in my buying decision. 

Title: Re: Are the gadgets worth it?
Post by: H53Guy on December 15, 2018, 04:46:06 PM
So the first bike I bought with hard luggage (2001 Tiger 955i) I said to myself "those will only go on when I'm on a trip". They were so darn handy the only time they came off was when I was servicing the bike. This same bike introduced me to heated grips. Then I bought a bike with electric adjustable windscreen, and cruise control, I said "cool but I'll never use them" now the wind screen gets adjusted daily dependent upon speed, temp, rain or dry, etc. The cruise control I will seriously use stop light to stop light. Now I've traded in my 01 girlie for a 2017 TEX, abs, traction control, and rider modes. ABS stays on unless I go to off road. My normal riding mode is sport with the ride set half way between normal and sport. Throttle stays in sport. Even in heavy rain I get limited spin or slip, except for a couple of really nasty roads. So Yea, I like the gizmos, and so far knock on wood, I've not had any problems with them.